Would you not be able to sue the employer on the grounds of promissory estoppel? You bought a new house, you quit your old job, and incurred financial harm as a result of the job offer, and so by rescinding that offer (assuming the offer was unconditional), they have harmed you, and you have grounds to sue them.
Maybe in Europe, but in the US At-will employment means that you can be fired at any moment without cause, without warning and without severance.
When was this? Is he a registered Democrat? I can see Musk targeting him for it as a final background check.
But he has an X in his name. Musk would love him.
Idk but he does look like he could be an immigrant taking a closer look.
As an environmental regulator in America I know first hand how company owners tend to respect nothing but their own wealth and standing. I write and enforce administrative orders and penalties to company presidents and CEOs. They’ll throw the world under the bus before taking reaponsibility.
But during covid a lot of contracts and orders were digitally signed and not given wet signatures.
So a lot of American company owners are trying to pull back on everything covid. One of the angles is attempting to void all contracts not physically signed with a wet signature. Completely ignoring digital signing is a (new?) tactic being used.
I haven’t seen wet signatures for over a decade now, man, US lives in a bloody stone age.
They hold up in court, which is why for important legal documents they’re sought out.
Important legal documents are signed with a secure digital signature issued by the government. You basically have a physical OTP generator or you’re using a government portal to generate a one off.
No, we just get regressive rules when it benefits the rich and progressive rules… when it solely benefits the rich.
7 months ago I started a 6 month remote contract for chime.com.
At around 5 months, I asked my manager if she was going to extend me. She said no. Cool, whatever. Life of a contractor.
The product and engineer team rallied against ending my contract and my manager caved and extended my contract for another 6 months.
So a week into my new contract, they asked me to come into the office in San Francisco.
This is a difficult ask from me because I had to find a person to watch my son and my dogs. Drove my son an hour away to my sisters and paid a dog sitter 80/day to watch my dogs.
I land in San Francisco and my boss text me saying she has something important to tell me. I get into the office and a few hours later she cancels my contract because they want to have the person in my role local and to come into the SF office 4 days a week. This new position is also only paying 135k vs my 165k.
The irony of yet another fintech that enables you to do everything from your phone and yet wants the staff in the office. Screw them. You’ll find something better (if you haven’t already).
That’s deplorable! Did your contract have any early termination penalties?
No, not at all. I don’t understand why we even have contracts written if anyone can breach it at will.
Did you talk to a lawyer about this? Why are you so sure they can breach it?
Well, fuck them. Your product team and stuff sounds decent though. When they failed to find a local and asks you to come back, remember to demand a 10% raise.
Love how there is clearly a last line cropped out.
:: eye twitches::
“If the answer is yes, you should be incredibly proud of yourself.” (My guess)
If they signed the offer, is that not a contract? Do they not have a pretty clear breach of contract case here?
No, the offer doesn’t bind parties to sign a contract, it only cements contract details in advance. Both parties can walk away at any point without any explanation.
It’s like a price sticker in the supermarket - it tells you how much something costs and the retailer must respect that. But you are not forced to buy anything upon seeing a sticker.
But you are not forced to buy anything upon seeing a sticker.
of course, but this is like the cashier saying: nah we won’t accept your purchase, the security guard will escort you out of the shop
Right to work baby! At-will employment means “You can leave any time you want, but we can fire you any time we want.”
Yeah, I guess I forgot where I lived for a moment and took for granted my union contract.
Never quit your job over an offer, I always run my time out at my old job.
Last job switch was last day on Friday, new day of first job on Monday.
What do you mean “running your time out”? I’m having difficulties understanding how that isn’t quitting your job
i think they mean - unless you have signed a proper contract (not just an offer) and there are now consequences for the employer if they let you go for no reason, then you should still stick to your old job
Nailed it.
I don’t think that’s the majority of the companies work. You sign an offer, quit your old job on Friday (at the end of the notice), and sign the new contract the next Monday.
That must be some American thing. You don’t quit until you sign a contract in Europe.
In the UK you can quit before you sign your employment contract, but by accepting the job offer, your contract with your new employer has already started, and so you’re protected. They can’t legally pull out without compensating you.
I don’t remember much about how it works in the UK tbh, I stuck at the same company for over a decade lol.
So this is some bullshit going on in America? Where I live the contract is signed ahead of time with a specific start date, so this signing an offer (which sounds like nothing more than a pinky promise) and then a contract on the first day is new knowledge to me.
Ah, a fellow wage slave.
In the modern environment I can’t help but wonder, since I don’t know who this guy is, is he a citizen of the United States. Because PayPal might be towing the Trump party line for all I know. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
Shocking to hear as I am Used to have binding consequences for such action in my country - feel u !
They could have waited longer. That would have been worse.
That’s the whole point of having a contract. You don’t quit your old job until you have a signed new contract for the new one. I understand that many Americans don’t believe in this basic concept, but it’s common in many countries around the world.
Even a contract includes probation period where they can let you go without reason and short notice. Even in a quite worker-friendly country like Germany it is usually 6 month period with 2 weeks notice (both sides).
Absolutely true, but in this case they seem to be trying to wiggle out of even that minimal notice period. A promissory estoppel case would probably, if the plaintiff won, see damages in the form of payment equal to the salary that would have been earned in that minimum notice period.
Unfortunately many employment agreements in the US are “at will” meaning either party can terminate it immediately at will. In states where this is legal (almost all of them), you’d be hard-pressed to find any company willing to do it any other way.
That must be the Land of the free. :D
Right? What is this “Employment Contract” you speak of? I just got told “You start this day, good luck fucker.”
And the fun thing of ‘fired at will’ is that it is enshrined in so-called ‘Right to Work’ laws. The evil would be hilarious is it wasn’t so horrible.
No, you’re wrong here. ‘Right to Work’ laws are about preventing unions from controlling an entire workplace, forcing new employees to join the union. ‘At-Will Employment’ laws are entirely seperate from that.
Yea there tends to be a disconnect at the “right to be fired” part.
Is that different from signing the offer?
My thoughts exactly… I’m not a lawyer, but I get the feeling that OP has a contract here and the company is trying to gaslight him into thinking that what they’re doing is totally above board.
But again, not a lawyer so what do I know
They usually don’t even give you anything to sign
never ever assume you got the offer until both parties have signed a contract
That’s what I thought “signing the offer” meant?
Contracts can be written on napkins and still be valid… If both parties agreed to the terms, and they signed it, I feel like that’s a contract even if the company doesn’t want to call it that.
But I’m not a lawyer
i think “offer” is the keyword here. they specifically didn’t say “job contract”, they just signed an “offer” of some kind, whatever that is. A job contract is a legal document that has a specific definition of what it entails, an “offer” is just an offer
Yeah probably… Scummy as fuck, but not one bit surprising
What is the meaning of “signing an offer” then? Is this not a binding contract?
Just curious. Not American. Don’t know if this has anything to do with the US.
Edit: or was this a situation where only OP signed an offer and then quit the old job before having the signature of the other party? Would be very unusual, I normally get contracts pre signed by my new employer that only I need to sign
That’s why we need a democratic economy. Distribute the power over the means of production.
Why do
LinkedIn users write their essays
In this format? Many other platforms
Have the same limitations for character count
Or even lack of rich text formatting
Yet people don’t write like this.
Where did this
Culture come from?
Most business people are too stupid to handle paragraphs with more than 2-3 sentences. I’m not joking; I literally have to write emails like this if I want them read.
Yep I have learned to write biz emails in short, pithy sentences, if I want people to actually read and assimilate the info.
I don’t think it’s stupidity (and nothing against stupid co-workers if they’re trying), but they’re just so grindset brained into mental exhaustion that they literally zone out in the middle of a paragraph.
I’ll catch myself doing it on occasion too. If anything it’s worse recently, because I’ll have the nagging thought did they actually write this or am I reading two sentences puffed out into half a page by llm…
Side rant here. I’m working on a project for a new application, after a couple months work I finalised the 150ish requirements, however before approval could be given to approach businesses I had to do some internal box ticking.
I organised this technical meeting with the IT guys to run through all the requirements, tick and flick that everything was fine. It was a 3 hour meeting that I had booked 7 weeks in advance to ensure everyone could attend.
3 weeks before the scheduled date a general manager insists on attending and self-invites. The moment the meeting starts the GM immediately says “they don’t want to read all these requirements” and “don’t you have a presentation?” Followed by “where are the pictures?”.
The entire meeting basically derailed there and we only made it through maybe 50% of what we needed to with zero ticking or flicking. That was 3 weeks ago, the project has almost stalled now and I’m still trying to recover the time/progress/momentum I had.
Fucking managers and their demands to be included and flat out refusal to read.
Too long paragraphs, didn’t read.
Functional illiteracy is a thing, pretty sure my last boss fell into this category. Everything had to be a meeting, couldnt do work by email or chat. He had to review and approve my reports, and they would sit for months. I think there was a nine month back log when I left.
Holy crapoli, the memories this triggers. Suffice to say I am soooooo glad to be retired.
I’m on a 12 month contract at the moment but the company just advertised 8 permanent jobs at my level. I’m passing on submitting an application.
I’m pretty sure…
You’re not gonna believe this but…
I think it all came from web marketing guru funnel-builder-ebook-masterclass-mentor-course types.
And it circlejerked with business types to capitalize on shorter and shorter attention spans.
I was like you. I was a normal guy. And one day I decided to take a guess at where this irritating “writing style” came from…and why it was EVERYWHERE…
…and you won’t believe what I came up with (Or maybe you will, because you’re ultra smart , I can tell just by the way you’re reading this, you’re not like everyone else, you’re special, click the button at the end of this really long pointless babbling)…I think it’s because…
People scroll, and short little paragraphs keep you reading.
In bite-sized little chunks. So you keep scrolling and scrolling waiting for it to get to the point…
…so what are you waiting for? Lame call to action by clicking the button below to get added to my email spam list and an empty ghost town “Master Life Changer” Discord / web forum! Filled to the gills with…
…obvious filler nonsense…for 900 days absolutely risk free…
…I wouldn’t bet my couch and my sister’s angry little chihuahua, Señor Gordito Cabrón if I wasn’t 100% serious about the value in these stupid paragraphs…
If you don’t get any value from this offer, I’ll personally ship that little jerk to Cesar Milan. Just so he learns some respect after stealing my tacos
You can even keep the couch and any change you find in its depths as mygift to you.
I’ll even finally get the sister to therapy, as an Internet marketing family we’ve neglected all the signs and cries for help for far too long.All you gotta do is keep scrolling until the wheel on your mouse pops out…
…and one day you too can have a Lambo. You deserve it.
Normally, my grift is valued by myself (and nobody else) at an obnoxiously high number that ends in a 7 for some reason…but today is special.
Still here? I knew you were The Chosen One Destined for Greatness .
Time is running out, even though this special offer has been sitting on this static page for months. It’s only like
$1234.57$667.97 now. Just for you. (I’m practically giving it away because you’re so cool. I have to sell one of my boats now just to make ends meet. My wife is so upset she’s taking the kids to her mom’s for a few days, but I believe in you THAT MUCH.)Still not convinced?? That’s understandable. This can continue saying the same gibberish 18 different ways…
…until you’ve read so far clicking the button is basically sunk cost fallacy at this point…
…Ugh that made me physically sick writing like that even as a joke LOL.
EDIT: In some twisted way I’m so proud of this marketer mockery I keep editing it when I think of a way to make it even stupider lol. I’m gonna touch grass soon I swear…
EDIT EDIT: Oh no, it has formatting now. And got increasingly unhinged. What have I done?!
Bravo. A masterpiece.
Good god this is so fucking draining
Isn’t it insufferable? Agh!
I hope my version was at least sorta funny while making the point and highlighting a lot of those stupid tricks they use.
Absolutely, yes, it was good satire. Please, don’t do it again
I guess it works too, I just read that.
I hope it was at least satirically entertaining and perhaps a touch cathartic! XD
I’m sure you’ve also shared that same experience I have, where you ended up scrolling and scrolling those stupid websites to see what their deal was, even though you knew it was 100% nonsense lol.
Edit: Oh gosh, I had too much fun with it and now it’s 7x as unhinged lmao…
Assholes thinking their garbage thoughts are poetry
Not too lazy to make it readable
> applies to join an evil company
> is surprised when gets evil done on them
