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Who could have guessed that all the surveilance would be used by fascism? Ohh wait, everybody could have.
I think we’ve known this about Ring cameras for awhile now at least. Lowkey I kinda seethe about any neighbors buying that spyware shit. It’s not like the fucking cops give a singular shit about home robberies anyways.
But when you do experience a home invasion they will blame you not installing Spyware on your front door for why they won’t bother investigating.
And if you do have said spyware, the robber could be holding up his drivers license reciting his social security number while doing it on video and the cops still wouldn’t bother pursuing the lead.
I think we’ve known this about Ring cameras for awhile now at least.
Absolutely. Anything that can be hacked by some uneducated douche is going to be exploited by the government.
The thing is that nobody is fighting it.
Americans won’t fight it. Dipshits keep saying that there will be a civil war if things escalate. That will never happend. The Trump protests have been pitiful.
They have a second amendment for just such an occasion, but they allowed their first amendment to be limited against calling for rebellion. Now the guns just kill the plebs, kids and bystanders.
Or the 2A people are perfectly content with their place in a fascist society.
All is a bit of a stretch. I imagine a big chunk of surveillance is privately owned and not even on the network. At least the cast majority I have installed over the years are usually isolated or standalone networks.
Not even six months in and we already got the ai surveillance state lol
and this is why my security system will never connect to the Internet.
I’ve had cops ask for my footage before that sneer at me sending them the raw files. “why can’t you just pull up the app?” or my favorite, “you should use ring, then we can just send a request to them for the footage.”
sure, pig. sure. I’ll open my home as a part of your distributed network surveillance botnet. /s
you should use ring, then we can just send a request to them for the footage."
YIKES, thats whats called a weird flex.
It is surprising how difficult most camera companies have made it to avoid their subscription services.
Multiple companies that used to offer local rstp streaming have summarily removed support in firmware upgrades without notifying their customers. Even companies that support it (like Foscam) demand developer agreements be signed to get basic camera command information. Tp-link supports rstp but requires an phone app and Internet connection to configure their cameras.
Like you, I will never connect my cameras to the Internet, but we are slowly approaching a time when that by itself will be a cause for police investigation.
and that is when I’ll diy should I need any foss cameras.
I learned about VPNs and torrenting thanks to corporations like EA releasing trash with a price tag on it, suppose I’ll start reading up on low voltage security systems so I can build my own, thanks for the tinkering idea fascists 👍
and so it begins
All those decades many of us spent warning about neoliberals and conservatives working hand in hand to build big brother FOR fascism fell on deaf ears…
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my future is ruined.
There is so many damn things on the list, like why do you need 700,000+ ways to ruin the future
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Yeah since 9/11 at least. Really since Hoover.
If America is so scared of China, why are we hell bent in becoming China?
Their problem with China is the supposed atheism, and that they’re not christian fundamentalists.
Something happens Americanly in America
Americans: “What are we, a bunch of üntermench asians???”
Nice strawman
My man, this is literally what they just did. This isn’t an strawman. Atleast google the meaning of your catchphrase ffs
“Nice Strawman” is basically a bumper sticker slogan for people who don’t actually understand what’s being discussed.
No it is a logical fallacy.
That some people don’t understand its meaning doesn’t take this away.
“I don’t want the US to become authoritarian like China has historically been perceived as by Americans”
“Oh so you hate everyone from Asia”
How is that not a textbook strawman?
They were talking about the Chinese government and you turned that into “asians”.
Is China not in Asia then?
The Chinese government does not encompass all asians. When people talk about the oppression of the Chinese government they are not criticizing Asian people in general, but an extremely small subset of powerful people, regardless of their region of origin or culture. Do you think this person hates people from Japan now too?
You are being deliberately intellectually dishonest, I’m assuming.
But we’re doing it for profit, so it’s OK.
just without the hope in the future, investment in human capital, rise in living standards etc…
The same reason this administration does all the things they point their finger and accuse everyone else of doing. They’re traitorous scumbags and hypocrites.
If we cant beat 'em, join 'em
(But only learn all the bad things. Renewable Energy and Clean Transit? Nah, can’t let the plebs have a tiny bit of good things)
A few years ago in SanDiego a proposal to install cameras came into being. They said the things were there for meteorology and security. The popo had to get a warrant to use the evidence on a case by case basis.
But soon enough:
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdpd-gets-more-control-over-surveillance-systems/3703267/
If you don’t want this in your community or state, stand up for it. Say no to speed cameras, license plate readers etc. Those things are what keep Korean people under the government’s thumb:
They carry ponchos and umbrellas even when its not raining. They do it to protect their own against cameras and AI.
Can wait till they ban umbrellas
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“… I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic …”
It’d be a shame if anonymous types started working on poisoning all publicly accessible cameras with ai poison pills that brick whatever model you try to run on the footage
I read that glow in the dark material will trigger an ir motion sensor. So don’t plant small flags coated with glow in the dark paint across from the cameras because it will cause them to take and send thousands of useless images and make them think their camera is broken.
I work in security engineering, including massive video systems. With any commercial unit made in the last 5 years and any software past entry level consumer grade this is a non-issue. Especially if someone is using descriptive visual search when pulling up video vs just scanning through every motion event.
As far as I’m aware these are basically just trail cameras, they snap a photo on motion and send it over mobile data to be processed server side for ocr. They claim they can also identify make and model and anything different like bumper stickers. I wouldn’t be surprised if their object recognition is just people in India. I also suspect that their OCR is, or at least was provided through 3rd party api calls.
You’d be surprised how much can be done at the edge with current cameras. I’m not sure exactly how these particular ones are set up, but the other major players in the space (Axis,Bosch,Panasonic) all have pretty surprising levels of local compute dedicated to “AI”, and leveraging external VMS platforms can exponentially increase capabilities. It’s pretty idiot proof once set up, as it’s aimed at desk jockies that monitor and report with minimal systems training.
Again, not this specific system but this stuff is far from sci-fi anymore.
You’re assuming competence is part of the equation. Some passive resistance of the operators could make this viable.
Most of them will trigger from reflected IR, which is easy to do with some metallic mylar. Those emergency blankets cut into strips should work like a charm.
That requires an IR source. The glow in the dark might trigger without an external IR source. So depends on the capabilities of the system in question. Some have active IR scene illuminators, some are passive.
It’s been a while since I did that sort of thing, but from what I remember: The vast majority of “night vision” cameras are active IR, or sensitive enough that proper reflective surfaces trigger activity if they change a large enough area.
And the type of imagery these searches are looking for, would most likely be fooled by a couple of reflective strips blowing in the wind. Although I might recommend using strips of that reflective stuff on safety vests, that way you’d really “poison the pool”.
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Don’t tape the strips across the street. Hang them nearer the camera so they occupy a larger area of the footage and triggers more easily. Although not on/close to the lens, that will make them notice too soon. You can even just tape a stick on top of the camera that goes up like a fishing rod, with some strands of fishing wire to reflect light in the moisture that condenses(basically a fake spiderweb).
Or, they’ll just develop downstream garbage filters and effectively ignore the little flags. Sure, some energy will be wasted, but it won’t be occupying too many analyst brain cells.
Source: I have such a setup at home. My camera goes crazy detecting motion in the dark, CPU usage goes up. Main thing I notice? CPU temp rises from 50C to 55C. That’s it.
These are also on solar/battery and use cell data.
Might give them trouble in pre-dawn hours, might not depending on the design. I doubt the municipalities and government agencies pay much of anything for data usage.
Fun fact, most places the department of transportation pays nothing for the electricity that runs street lights - electric company just gives it to them unmetered - in exchange for good and valuable consideration like right of way usage.
While they’re at it, why not just hack the government to reverse last year’s election, amirite?
I know most of us loved Mr Robot and watching dinozzo and abby double team a keyboard and Wolverine getting a blowy and all that fun stuff, but that really isn’t how things work.
These aren’t off the shelf pre-trained models. The model is a big part of the company’s product and, increasingly, the cost of training is being partially offloaded to customers under the guise of “tune the model to your data”.
And IF we have a Bones situation where someone has inscribed a virus onto human remains to destroy a one of a kind machine or whatever: That is what version control is for. “Hmm. The May 2025 model isn’t working. Okay, switch back to April”
Also, these “models” are a lot closer to just running OCR on a feed and logging which traffic camera saw one of the flagged license plates.
You’re right. People should just smear Vaseline on the cameras.
Bingo. Just make sure you are masked up and know WHERE you are masking up.
You watch too much tv. All you need is to degrade the quality of the recorded video on any camera exposed to the public internet enough for ai to have divergent results due to how ambiguous the images captured are. There are thousands of hobby projects that let you browse actual feeds from such cameras and usually that means you can get hardware metadata and in most cases change how the video is recorded by patching the driver running on the already publicly accessed cameras. Why make an exaggerated strawman argument while at the same time pretending you know better than everyone else?
This article says it is local cameras installed by local police that are being used for ice by the local police department.
Claiming anonymous could do anything about it by poisoning AI models is absurd. Then you call out the skeptic for watching too much TV?
Besides, Anonymous hasn’t done anything significant in 10 years They dos’ed Israel last year. Did it do anything? Was one less Palestinian killed?
Ahh yes the local police! An infamous bastion of web security, IT infrastructure, and thinking long term. Who could ever crack the default passwords on their IT setup? How could we ever hope to social engineer these above average intelligence elite local cops into plugging in a usb drive to their work computer. This is all definitely impossible, no local police branch has ever been a victim of ransomware so we know for sure it can’t be done and deserves all the cynicism and comparisons to Hollywood movies from the 80s.
Of course we also know that by “anonymous types” I meant that one specific group of people you have in mind who did that one thing 10 years ago and not just socially conscious programmers with basic knowledge of social engineering and web infrastructure. That would be a ridiculous thing to mean of course.
It’s your claim that Anonymous would do anything when they won’t and do it by AI poisoning that’s absurd.
If your initial claim was, “It would be a shame if someone hacked their local police.” it wouldn’t have sounded like you just watched Mr. Robot.
Which is not an “ai poison pill”
That’s fair, you probably won’t brick their ai model but it can make it useless for that particular camera output.
Which… is basically worthless because of just how many cameras there are out there.
A “fun” exercise a couple buddies and I did a few years (… decade?) back was to just use an afternoon of plugging python packages together and scraping county traffic cam feeds to track someone, with their consent, over a few days. And it was ridiculously easy to get their schedule down basically day one and even get a LOT of data on who they were seeing or where they went after parking just based on when and where the car “disappeared”.
And that is just publicly available traffic cameras. Not the giant mess of speed and red light cameras and all the other crap we have in a modern surveillance state.
So even if people are climbing traffic poles and midlining over to the actual boxes to smash them? Those are even less of an issue than normal outages from rain on a windy day.
In 2003 a friend and I were brainstorming what the next big disruptive tech would be and how we might get investment to start a company based on it. My conclusion at the time: cheap digital cameras. 22 years ago they were already cheap and high resolution enough to kill the film camera industry, and they’ve only continued on through today with color night vision, etc.
He did finally get investment and start his own company: automating regulatory paperwork for small companies that would be swamped in it without help.
Meanwhile, networked cameras are approaching “smartdust” levels of ubiquity. It’s like living around the time of Gutenberg and seeing the world relatively smothered in printed text leaflets, hundreds of times as many pages of text in less time and for lower cost than scribes. The changes have only just begun, and people aren’t really aware of how fundamentally life has changed as a result.
Fucking Bones throwback, man! Good one.
Add any that aren’t shown by submitting them to OpenStreetMap.
My residence has a Ring doorbell. I wish that I owned the house, so that it was never installed in the first place.
I read recently that the lidar on many self driving cars can wreck the CCD on most phones. I don’t know how it works, but maybe parking one of the cars by your front door will solve your problem.
Cheaper to buy a low wattage engraving laser module. It’ll do the deed.
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Green high powered lasers, they can burn cmos sensors. Also the iPhone and some car lidar sensors can burn cmos sensors.
Not the question is if the Flock plate readers are susceptible to this.
They use a basic ir sensor to trigger the camera, they’re just a cheap trail camera that sends images when motion is detected. You could put a black sticker over the ir sensor and then they would be wondering why it’s not taking photos.
True but a laser can disable the camera until it can be replaced.
You could train crows to peck at them.
AI is only looking for the color someone is.
