It’s also worth clarifying that ProtonMail doesn’t collect IP addresses by default. Instead, the monitoring/ logging starts after ProtonMail gets a legal request.
Under Swiss law, ProtonMail should notify the user if a third party makes a request for their private data and if the data is for a criminal proceeding. However, there’s a big catch/ loophole here. On its law enforcement page, ProtonMail highlights that the notification can be delayed in the following cases:
Where providing notice is temporarily prohibited by the Swiss legal process itself, by Swiss court order, or applicable Swiss law;
Where, based on information supplied by law enforcement, we, in our absolute discretion, believe that providing notice could create a risk of injury, death, or irreparable damage to an identifiable individual or group of individuals;
As a general rule though, targeted users will eventually be informed and afforded the opportunity to object to the data request, either by ProtonMail or by Swiss authorities.
This incident seems to fall under the first case, and that’s why ProtonMail didn’t notify the user. “Some orders are final and cannot be appealed, that’s just how the legal system works, not everything can be appealed. The user wasn’t notified for the same reason that you don’t notify a suspect before arresting them,” says ProtonMail founder Andy Yen.
When a person is raped and seeking an abortion from Texas, do they deserve to be stripped of privacy? What about countries that see being gay a crime?
I don’t particularly care about proton outing people, but they should absolutely be restricted from advertising that they’re more private or secure than any other provider out there.
When freedom of speech breaks down, and the government is logging / tracking all social media on the front end and back end AND private communication tools are under attack, nothing is really safe anymore. Most disturbingly, once they deem X or Y to be unlawful, if you’ve EVER talked about X or Y, you’re at risk.
They still have to adhere to legal requests.
they should inform the victim about it
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Through who’s lens?
When a person is raped and seeking an abortion from Texas, do they deserve to be stripped of privacy? What about countries that see being gay a crime?
I don’t particularly care about proton outing people, but they should absolutely be restricted from advertising that they’re more private or secure than any other provider out there.
In the US right now, we’re seeing this unfold. With the talk about classifying transgender folks as nihilistic violent extremists, who fucking knows.
When freedom of speech breaks down, and the government is logging / tracking all social media on the front end and back end AND private communication tools are under attack, nothing is really safe anymore. Most disturbingly, once they deem X or Y to be unlawful, if you’ve EVER talked about X or Y, you’re at risk.
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I could say the same about your comment.
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Dude why are you being so hostile for no reason ?
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what an eloquent way to get blocked!