So basically I understand that dating a black woman is different than a white woman. She mentioned she feels comfortable when someone is open to learn and takes initiative to learn the societal and cultural things that affect her as a black woman. I don’t know what this means. And the take initiative part confuses me. And I’m not sure how to go about it I’m very open minded to learn but should I probe with questions or more so reading about it myself?

I’d like this relationship to go somewhere (so far had 4 dates) but her telling me that felt deep and I want to make sure I take right steps

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    I know this goes without saying, but I’ll say it anyway. Dating someone of another race does not give you that race’s privileges.

    Like, you don’t get to say the N-word, and you don’t really get to drop the fact that you’re dating a black person as a gotcha to win an argument.

    You and her will have likely had some differences growing up. Learning about them is going to be a lot of fun and educational, so enjoy that process.

    There is nothing fundamentally tragic about being a specific race, so don’t try to become some kind of savior.

    Whatever they have experienced because of their race is normal for them so understand their normal and accept it as normal.

    And don’t worry too much. If you’ve made it to the point where you’re actually dating, then she obviously likes you, at least a little bit.

    So just rely on that and continue being who you are to the best of your ability.

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      Oh yeah I know not to say the n word and idc I’m dating a black woman. I’m not saying o don’t see race and want to understand her I mean I’m the type to see the person.

      I’m just nervous and feel she might expect me to learn and talk to her about raxe

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        Well, if she does, just let her lead the conversation. It would be something that she wants to talk about, so hear her out. Maybe she will explain things the way that work best for her and make things easier for you in the process.

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    I dated a black girl for a while. I had to learn a LOT about The Sims 4. That was apparently the only thing she cared about.

    But also just Google “black women struggles” and follow some creators that pop up. That’s a good way to learn pretty much anything culture related.

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    “So basically I understand that dating a black woman is different than a white woman.” Ngl this is a really weird sounding statement, and in fact this whole thread and your discussion with her seem a bit strange. In my experience, just not making a big deal about this sort of thing is usually the best way for it to be handled. To whatever extent possible, you do not want the fact that your relationship is interracial to be a property of the relationship that is at the forefront of either of your minds. But of course there are practical realities that affect this. But within you two, internally, it should not be a huge deal.

    She’s probably just trying to subtly make sure that you’re not racist at a minimum and are also woke (and I mean that in the most positive and earnest sense of the term).

    Probably as long as you fundamentally see black people as intrinsically equal human beings and don’t have any weird or stupid stereotypes (so I would just say no stereotypes) and listen to her when she tells you stuff you’re fine.

    It’s like the same phenomenon as how people will get all antsy about dating a woman in general because they think women are some alien creatures. Don’t see her as an alien and that’s like the majority of the risks resolved.

    But the nuance comes in recognizing that different demographics DO really have extrinsic differences that, by virtue of being extrinsically created, affect different members of that demographic to a different extent. Not all extrinsic differences are negative ones, for example cultural differences are also extrinsic to someone’s race. But I wouldn’t recommend trying to learn about like African culture and then talk to her about it, for instance, because it’s a very diverse country, and you don’t even know if she considers that part of her culture or not.

    So pretty much just be open minded and don’t be weird about it.

    Now, I will say, and I understand that this is not what you’re asking about, the way that she expressed that is a little bit annoying to me. Very vague and beating around the bush. She could have communicated it better, but also you could have communicated your confusion better to her. In fact, asking her to elaborate on that certainly qualifies as showing initiative. So I would say that you should ask her some more questions about it.

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      So by “So basically I understand that dating a black woman is different than a white woman” I was thinking maybe along the lines of how biggoted people are and try to judge and be peices of shit aand that might happen more noticibly.

      And to me it’ not that I don’t see race I just prefer seeing the persona nd individual and what makes them --well tehm over race. if that makes sense

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    Dating wise it’s the same as dating a white woman, at least between the two of you. The difference may come externally from family, friends, random people. I’m a white guy who married a black woman and its never been an issue between us, we even joke about it often. Someone else commented to “never touch her hair, without permission” and I disagree, if I’m cuddling with my wife in bed I don’t ask for permission to touch her hair lol.

    You should learn about racism in general though. Like watch a video on The “Brown Eyes/Blue Eyes” experiment, created by Jane Elliot is a good start.

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      Thanks for bringing up the thing about touching the hair. That is such a good example of the way that people try to be sensitive about this sort of thing actually results in making mountains out of molehills which then end up causing exactly the problems we want to solve. Races are all equally human. As humans, we are capable of having our own personalities. Her being black does not force her to have certain preferences about her hair. Likewise comments about food, etc. strike the same gross nerve. She’s black. We don’t know anything else about her. She might not know anything about African food, or stereotypically black food. For all we know she only eats sushi. For all we know she only eats at Applebee’s.

      I’m having nightmare images of this guy showing up at the next date like “oh boy I almost touched your hair just then but then I remembered you black people hate that! Hopefully now you will trust me with the secrets of your delicious spicy shakshuka recipe! Aren’t you glad I took initiative to learn of your black ways?”

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    I would just relax about it, I don’t think there’s anything particularly different or anything that’s better to know beforehand. We can’t really know what it is like to date your girlfriend, she might not even surprise you at all. Just roll with it and take anything new as an experience to be enjoyed

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    I’m in a mixed marriage with a Hispanic wife, I’m white. If this is your first mixed relationship, which it sounds like, be very open about how they are your first nonwhite partner. Be very vulnerable about learning from them (and them you) and making mistakes.

    A great way to learn is just flat out asking, “hey as a white person what’s something I should know about you that I might not pick up on”. It usually turns into both sides learning something. Also asking things like “what’s a favorite meal from growing up”, can be an easy way into talking about culture norms without being super forward. If you get to the point of going to a family lunch or event with them, ask “what I can expect from a typical family get together?”

    Just remember, don’t stress out about it, it can make things awkward. Be super open about asking questions, but also know when to back off about it. Remember they are just a person from a different background. A southern white person isn’t generally raised the same as someone from New Jersey, yet we don’t usually worry about that. Good luck, mixed relationships are awesome!

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        Admit your cultural blind spots, admit you don’t have a lot of experience in black culture, let them know you want to learn but don’t want to seem pushy, let them know you might make some mistakes or overstep cultural norms but you mean no offence and only want to learn etc.

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    DO NOT. TOUCH THE HAIR. WITHOUT PERMISSION. Otherwise yeah, she’s just a normal person. Just take it slow and be open. She’ll let you know when she doesn’t like or care for something.

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    You’re on the right track. Asking her to point out micro aggressions that you don’t notice might help you be more aware

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      I think I’d advise against this. Its not her job to explain racism to him, she probably just wants to date a nice man. There are plenty of resources he can use to figure it out on his own.

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    takes initiative to learn the societal and cultural things that affect her as a black woman

    She doesn’t want to have to explain basic stuff about racism to you and will lose respect for you if she has to. She expects you to do the work to get up to speed on this. It’s probably not onerous, just read half of 1 book on it and you’ll be more onto it than 95% of white people.

    I don’t know what this means.

    I expect she can tell you don’t know. You don’t have long to get on top of this.

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    Let’s ask Scrubs

    But talk with her about it and say that she is your first black girlfriend. She will be able to tell you what you are doing that makes her comfortable and what isn’t.

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      I’d love to ask Scrubs, but you have linked to some shitty advertising video. It doesn’t even continue on to the real video.