Tamara lich/Chris Barber are white supremacists? How’d you come to that conclusion? Or are you confusing 2 different groups?
Yes you’re right about those politicians on the right trying to exclude people - the Christian nationalists in the US are horrible, so much for separation from state and church
In a video posted on Twitter in 2019, King suggests that unless Canadians “get up off your as—s and demand change,” they might want to change their names to “Ishmael” or “drop a bunch of change down the stairs” and “call yourself chong ching ching chang.”
They also just were shitty in general, by dancing on and then urinating on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
(I apologize to all of humanity for quoting this piece of garbage above, and really all of this in general).
Yeah that looks like a racist ass statement from that Pat King guy for sure. I don’t support that shit. But thank you for sharing (even though I was asking about Chris Barber).
The rest of that (the 2 out of touch pictures, and the dude urinating on a grave) doesn’t capture the essence of what this meant for most people that supported the cause. It’s like the BLM protests, a few bad actors shouldn’t ruin the message for everyone.
Rachel Gillmore, who wrote that first article you posted, was laid off from global news after all that. Reasons are unclear…
But thank you again for providing sources, sincerely.
a few bad actors shouldn’t ruin the message for everyone.
This started when you claimed the leaders of the convoy weren’t white supremacists, were shown proof they were, and now you’re at ‘a few bad actors…’ before missing the point of the saying you’re (changing the wording of slightly) using: A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
ruin the message for everyone.
Which was what exactly? That American rules blocking un-vaccinated truckers were Trudeau’s fault?
You guys got conned. Pure and simple. Either you’re a white supremacist trying to hide it, or you got conned by them and are trying to hide it.
With the white supremacy shit, I was referring to Chris Barber and Tamara Lich - the two most prominent leaders of that whole thing.
I didn’t have the information about Pat King prior, so again thank you for that - I stand partially corrected.
The message that shouldn’t be destroyed is basically “hold your government accountable, and do not let them overstep”. Too many of these politicians get away with everything, and it feels like infighting is all we’re left with. At the very least I think this is something we can agree on.
“hold your government accountable, and do not let them overstep”. Too many of these politicians get away with everything, and it feels like infighting is all we’re left with. At the very least I think this is something we can agree on.
And while I agree with that statement, I would like to ask how the convoy approached that in any way. They didn’t attack any of the provincial leaders who were at issue with most of their (non US-required) laws.
Attacking homeless shelters doesn’t send this message.
Carrying Nazi flags doesn’t send this message.
Carrying Confederate Flags doesn’t send this message
Attacking people for wearing a mask, which according to the convoy messaging is body autonomy, and counter to their stated goals, doesn’t send this message.
Urinating on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier doesn’t send this message.
Dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier doesn’t send this message.
Trying to force a man to ‘Do a dragon dance’ because he’s Asian doesn’t send this message.
Threatening to murder the Prime Minister for an American Law doesn’t send this message.
Harassing and attacking citizens of Ottawa doesn’t send this message.
Desecrating the Terry Fox Memorial doesn’t send this message.
This:
“My 13-year-old neighbour was standing on Carling Avenue after school, waiting for the bus to bring her back home,” a witness named Stephanie testified. “There were a few girls at the stop. A pickup truck with male convoy supporting twenty-somethings began yelling out at the girls to ‘take it off, take it off!’”
Doesn’t send that message.
How about this?
Other witnesses described convoy occupiers getting into fist fights with residents at a Canadian Tire, groups of “hooligans” surrounding residents in the streets and harassing shoppers coming and going from grocery stores, as well as fireworks being shot at apartment windows.
Numerous residents reported being hectored by vehicles driving in circles around residential neighbourhoods with “massive Canadian flags,” sometimes driving on sidewalks and aggressively accelerating at pedestrians.
“I will never be able to look at the Canadian flag the same,” a witness named Christine said. “Whether people are flying it or wearing it, now, for me, it’s a symbol of the occupation.”
“I find myself watchful, looking over my shoulder, fearful in a way I was never before.”
Do those things send that message?
That fundraiser that ‘Trudeau’ took the money from? It’s either been returned to donators (those rich white supremacists from the States being most of it) or held in Escrow until the, you know, civil court cases of the people of Ottawa against them for their totally non-violent protest. And it was innitially halted by GoFundMe.
You need to look really carefully about what you’ve been lead to believe here.
(I can save you a bit of searching, but rich white supremacists are behind most of it. In fact, just about every issue in your life you’ve been told is an immigrants fault, or Trudeau’s fault, or 'the left’s fault, or 'woke’s fault, etc, is all some rich white conservative trying to get you to in-fight with the other poors, of which I am also a member.)
Tamara and Chris are in court right now for charges about leading the convoy.
You let protestors, protest. Especially when it’s not violent. The only injuries sustained in this protest were given to an old lady vs a police horse. You can’t just throw the money on the street - someone has to organize it.
Why do you want the government to have so much control?
Pat king isn’t facing charges related to his leadership role in the convoy? Coulda sworn he had a court date the same day as Chris and Tamara’s a while back.
Anyway. I’m not in favor of people protesting to end my right to exist in a country, or dividing a country so they can have a place for “real Canadians”. That should be illegal, because once protests get enough momentum they can enact laws to enshrine their ethnostate.
I’m sorry you’re naive enough not to see this. Protesting is a tool for open societies, those who want to destroy such open societies should not have access to the tools to dismantle it, for then the society will cease to be open.
I’m glad it’s not you that gets to gate keep protests then.
They were protesting to stop the ridiculous mandates the government imposed with little to no scientific reasoning. Stop pretending this is some racist issue.
Ask some racist and non racist people if they believe vaccines work, you’ll get an interesting diagram.
What the two movements have in common is the absolute willfull ignorance of scientific evidence contrary to their views.
The “Medical Freedom” crowd is dangerous both for the stupidity of their “cause” and the unexpectedly effective camouflage they provide for other right wing racist bullshit.
If you think stupidity lives only on one end of the political spectrum, you’re going to be in for a bad time. Every group has their rednecks.
Willful ignorance exists heavily on both sides too. There was some willful ignorance about how effective the covid vaccine was when the government started mandating it everywhere they could.
Now that a huge portion of our population received the never-used-before (and rushed) vaccine, we know it’s not that effective. Hopefully this story ends here. The fact that this became very political should’ve been a huge red flag to everyone.
Here’s some references for you if your unsure where I’m getting this “effectiveness” data from:
The “medical freedom” crowd, in this instance, were ensuring the government doesn’t over step, as it likes to do.
If we’d stop with this tribalistic bullshit we could hold our governments more accountable and have them be more transparent. But we’re a divided mess - we won’t be able to do anything good until we find our middle ground.
Once we do, then no more Trumps, no more Trudeaus, just public servants doing what public servants should.
Nobody has a monopoly on stupidity, but the right is pretty close to an anti-trust lawsuit.
You put “effectiveness” in quotes because you have come to believe the vaccines aren’t effective. You pump “natural immunity” because your information sources told you the vaccines are dangerous, while ignoring that the health risks of getting that natural immunity is way higher without a vaccine than with.
Letting the virus burn through the population to acquire immunity is how we get Spanish Flu numbers. It’s inhumane and dangerous to the fabric of society. Catching covid after vaccination is the far superior option.
The vaccines kept people out of hospitals, prevented many infections, and newer studies are confirming with high certainty now that they reduced transmission:
Initial VET of booster-vaccination (mRNA primary and booster-vaccination) was 87% (95%CI 86–89) against Delta and 68% (95%CI 65–70) against Omicron. The VET-estimate against Delta and Omicron decreased to 71% (95%CI 64–78) and 55% (95%CI 46–62) respectively, 150–200 days after booster-vaccination. Hybrid immunity, defined as vaccination and documented prior infection, was associated with durable and higher or comparable (by number of antigen exposures) protection against transmission.
What part of these findings show a lack of effectiveness?
There is a long history of governments enforcing vaccines, and it’s because individual freedoms DO NOT trump the wellbeing of the country at large. People complained about freedom when they banned indoor smoking and enforced seatbelts too. Same stupid shit from stupid children.
But it’s ok, throw your lot in with stupid racist plague rats who are afraid of proven, tested, effective vaccine.
Keep consuming media so warped that you actually think Trudeau is anywhere near as dangerous as Trump.
Tamara lich/Chris Barber are white supremacists? How’d you come to that conclusion? Or are you confusing 2 different groups?
Yes you’re right about those politicians on the right trying to exclude people - the Christian nationalists in the US are horrible, so much for separation from state and church
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Do you have any evidence of this outside of third hand anecdotal hear say? Or is it just the talking heads that push this?
If you do, I’ll stand corrected
Maybe you should sit down at this point, since people just dumping info on you that you won’t listen to.
One person produced info (that person’s awesome), the rest was arbitrary speculation and conjecture.
I’ll stand thanks
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No I don’t need a picture, I’m just curious what words you and him exchanged in this first hand account
https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/
Also this. And this.
They also just were shitty in general, by dancing on and then urinating on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. (I apologize to all of humanity for quoting this piece of garbage above, and really all of this in general).
Yeah that looks like a racist ass statement from that Pat King guy for sure. I don’t support that shit. But thank you for sharing (even though I was asking about Chris Barber).
The rest of that (the 2 out of touch pictures, and the dude urinating on a grave) doesn’t capture the essence of what this meant for most people that supported the cause. It’s like the BLM protests, a few bad actors shouldn’t ruin the message for everyone.
Rachel Gillmore, who wrote that first article you posted, was laid off from global news after all that. Reasons are unclear…
But thank you again for providing sources, sincerely.
A few bad actors who…? Don’t remember any Nazi flags, harassing homeless shelter employees, or attacking priests for wearing masks., nor do I recall any BLM protesters trying to force a man who was Asian to ‘dragon dance’, before beating him with objects when he refused.
This started when you claimed the leaders of the convoy weren’t white supremacists, were shown proof they were, and now you’re at ‘a few bad actors…’ before missing the point of the saying you’re (changing the wording of slightly) using: A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Which was what exactly? That American rules blocking un-vaccinated truckers were Trudeau’s fault?
You guys got conned. Pure and simple. Either you’re a white supremacist trying to hide it, or you got conned by them and are trying to hide it.
With the white supremacy shit, I was referring to Chris Barber and Tamara Lich - the two most prominent leaders of that whole thing.
I didn’t have the information about Pat King prior, so again thank you for that - I stand partially corrected.
The message that shouldn’t be destroyed is basically “hold your government accountable, and do not let them overstep”. Too many of these politicians get away with everything, and it feels like infighting is all we’re left with. At the very least I think this is something we can agree on.
And while I agree with that statement, I would like to ask how the convoy approached that in any way. They didn’t attack any of the provincial leaders who were at issue with most of their (non US-required) laws.
Attacking homeless shelters doesn’t send this message. Carrying Nazi flags doesn’t send this message. Carrying Confederate Flags doesn’t send this message Attacking people for wearing a mask, which according to the convoy messaging is body autonomy, and counter to their stated goals, doesn’t send this message. Urinating on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier doesn’t send this message. Dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier doesn’t send this message. Trying to force a man to ‘Do a dragon dance’ because he’s Asian doesn’t send this message. Threatening to murder the Prime Minister for an American Law doesn’t send this message. Harassing and attacking citizens of Ottawa doesn’t send this message. Desecrating the Terry Fox Memorial doesn’t send this message.
This:
Doesn’t send that message.
How about this?
Do those things send that message?
That fundraiser that ‘Trudeau’ took the money from? It’s either been returned to donators (those rich white supremacists from the States being most of it) or held in Escrow until the, you know, civil court cases of the people of Ottawa against them for their totally non-violent protest. And it was innitially halted by GoFundMe.
You need to look really carefully about what you’ve been lead to believe here.
(I can save you a bit of searching, but rich white supremacists are behind most of it. In fact, just about every issue in your life you’ve been told is an immigrants fault, or Trudeau’s fault, or 'the left’s fault, or 'woke’s fault, etc, is all some rich white conservative trying to get you to in-fight with the other poors, of which I am also a member.)
Pat King was the biggest leader of the convoy, he is for sure a white supremicist per his own recorded words.
And why let Tamara collect money to basically fund a civil war?
In the Canadian govs eyes, he’s not the leader.
Tamara and Chris are in court right now for charges about leading the convoy.
You let protestors, protest. Especially when it’s not violent. The only injuries sustained in this protest were given to an old lady vs a police horse. You can’t just throw the money on the street - someone has to organize it.
Why do you want the government to have so much control?
Pat king isn’t facing charges related to his leadership role in the convoy? Coulda sworn he had a court date the same day as Chris and Tamara’s a while back.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-christopher-barber-pat-king-crown-lays-new-charges-freedom-convoy-1.6396145
Anyway. I’m not in favor of people protesting to end my right to exist in a country, or dividing a country so they can have a place for “real Canadians”. That should be illegal, because once protests get enough momentum they can enact laws to enshrine their ethnostate.
I’m sorry you’re naive enough not to see this. Protesting is a tool for open societies, those who want to destroy such open societies should not have access to the tools to dismantle it, for then the society will cease to be open.
I’m glad it’s not you that gets to gate keep protests then.
They were protesting to stop the ridiculous mandates the government imposed with little to no scientific reasoning. Stop pretending this is some racist issue.
Ask some racist and non racist people if they believe vaccines work, you’ll get an interesting diagram.
What the two movements have in common is the absolute willfull ignorance of scientific evidence contrary to their views.
The “Medical Freedom” crowd is dangerous both for the stupidity of their “cause” and the unexpectedly effective camouflage they provide for other right wing racist bullshit.
If you think stupidity lives only on one end of the political spectrum, you’re going to be in for a bad time. Every group has their rednecks.
Willful ignorance exists heavily on both sides too. There was some willful ignorance about how effective the covid vaccine was when the government started mandating it everywhere they could.
Now that a huge portion of our population received the never-used-before (and rushed) vaccine, we know it’s not that effective. Hopefully this story ends here. The fact that this became very political should’ve been a huge red flag to everyone.
Here’s some references for you if your unsure where I’m getting this “effectiveness” data from:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext
The “medical freedom” crowd, in this instance, were ensuring the government doesn’t over step, as it likes to do.
If we’d stop with this tribalistic bullshit we could hold our governments more accountable and have them be more transparent. But we’re a divided mess - we won’t be able to do anything good until we find our middle ground.
Once we do, then no more Trumps, no more Trudeaus, just public servants doing what public servants should.
Nobody has a monopoly on stupidity, but the right is pretty close to an anti-trust lawsuit.
You put “effectiveness” in quotes because you have come to believe the vaccines aren’t effective. You pump “natural immunity” because your information sources told you the vaccines are dangerous, while ignoring that the health risks of getting that natural immunity is way higher without a vaccine than with.
Letting the virus burn through the population to acquire immunity is how we get Spanish Flu numbers. It’s inhumane and dangerous to the fabric of society. Catching covid after vaccination is the far superior option.
The vaccines kept people out of hospitals, prevented many infections, and newer studies are confirming with high certainty now that they reduced transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10073587/#:~:text=Vaccines reduced susceptibility of HREC,contact completed BNT162b2 primary-vaccination.
What part of these findings show a lack of effectiveness?
There is a long history of governments enforcing vaccines, and it’s because individual freedoms DO NOT trump the wellbeing of the country at large. People complained about freedom when they banned indoor smoking and enforced seatbelts too. Same stupid shit from stupid children.
But it’s ok, throw your lot in with stupid racist plague rats who are afraid of proven, tested, effective vaccine.
Keep consuming media so warped that you actually think Trudeau is anywhere near as dangerous as Trump.
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