Too many people do not understand the difference between weather and climate.
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For being so smart, we are so dumb
Huge difference between raw intellectual capacity and exercised utility.
You can have a 10 gallon bucket, but it’ll only carry that much water if you fill it.
We think we are smart enough to get away with it.
It’s not just that we’re stupid. We’re also selfish.
Many are proud of their stupidity.
And their selfishness.
The solution to global warming, then, is clearly to just set up a massive ring of fans all pointed in the same direction in a ring around the North Pole, to keep the jet stream going
Not the worst geoengineering idea.
Not a good idea, but I’ve heard worse
That is the worst geoengeniering idea. https://whatif.xkcd.com/162/
Isn’t that literally just a thinly veiled Futurama reference? Like, there was an episode where planet Express was sent out to fetch ice from Haley’s comet to dump in the ocean to combat global warming which fails and they end up just pushing the earth farther away from the sun to cool things down?
It’s mentioned in the article.
Whoa whoa whoa, hold up: it’s NOT foreigners?!?
This will also fix the wind turbines using up the all the wind!
WIND TURBINES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!
We should point those fans at the wind turbines so we can at least gather the power from fans! Why waste it!
Finally a solution! Now what to do about the turbines murdering whales?
I am in love with the elegance of this idea that would not work even a little bit. Occam, eat your heart out.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/understanding-arctic-polar-vortex
As of 2021 the science was not settled on the ice loss as a cause or an affect. This article goes into both theories.
That’s a bit like the investigation into whether lethal bear attacks are because of their teeth or their claws - probably really interesting, but not critical to the question of avoiding the bear.
This made me laugh.
But a fair point when someone says it’s due to one as part of their argument
Interesting. I would love to work on that kind of data model, as there is an interesting thing to point out with the movement of the polar vortex:
It dips further south to follow along land mass.I wonder if the wind currents have an easier time maintaining speed along flat surfaces or if the water being warmer causes pockets of higher pressure further north than usual pushing the vortex to be more unstable looking.
It feels like it makes sense that the current would be much more stable along a surface that is more consistent and thus loss of ice smoothing the surface would cause it to wobble but inertia still remains the same meaning it needs to push down elsewhere where there is less resistance.
So I would lean towards ice loss as a cause of changing polar vortex stability but I kinda gave up that ability to do anything about this or study such things a while ago.
I was led to believe it’s both. Global warming causes ice loss which contributes to global warming which causes more ice loss which contributes to global warming which causes more ice loss …
You can’t use logic with these people, they’ll try to burn you for being a witch.
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I thought that was called sealioning?
I’m afraid I don’t have a wall of links to support my argument.
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Don’t worry, the Earth will heal >!once we’re gone!<
If those people could read they’d be very upset.
Yeah I’ve actually lost faith in 100% of folks in 2024 who still think it’s a scam. I used to think it was just boomers, it’s not. Every climate change related post from NASA on their social media accounts is literally full of young people making fun of them for ‘lying to the public’ and how it’s all a hoax. There’s no depth to these people, we truly live in a society full of complete morons who will believe in a conspiracy theory because of a 5 minute badly edited YouTube video, but refuse to trust anything that is widely accepted in the scientific community because of their need to feel important, intelligent, and ‘in’ on something that the rest of the world isn’t in on.
the fellow students in school growing up that always blew off paying attention in school and disrupting class didn’t just disappear… sure i saw less of them when i wasn’t confined to those public grade school walls, but it’s been a harsh realization for me as I’m seeing them again as adults buying into and spreading the misinformation.
I just hope we’re not seeing the start of a shutdown of the North Atlantic current, which is likely what led to the Younger Dryas ice age, which marked a dramatic climate shift and widespread extinction event over just a couple of decades:
The change was relatively sudden, took place over decades, and resulted in a decline of temperatures in Greenland by 4–10 °C (7.2–18 °F), and advances of glaciers and drier conditions over much of the temperate Northern Hemisphere. A number of theories have been put forward about the cause, and the hypothesis historically most supported by scientists is that the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, which transports warm water from the Equator towards the North Pole, was interrupted by an influx of fresh, cold water from North America into the Atlantic.
Right now, it’s looking like that may have already started: Study: Warning of a forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation. If that’s the case, things will become very hot and then abruptly freeze, not over the course of a century, but virtually overnight.
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The thing I keep thinking about, and I feel like I’ve never been able to properly communicate, is that the machines our society runs on are built to run in a certain temperature range.
The 2021 texas winter fiasco was a perfect demonstration of what happens when we try to run a society’s machinery outside of it’s expected temperature range. Yes, the ERCOT goofballs were trying to save money by narrowing that expected operating range because “It never gets that cold” and “It never gets that hot”, but my badly articulated point still stands - a system was made to operate in a temperature range outside of it’s capability, and it started to fail. They were minutes away from losing very expensive and hard to replace equipment. What we don’t want is for one of the more competently-run power grids in the world to start to buckle due to temperatures, because the same thing that happened in texas could happen on a larger scale.
And that’s just talking about the power grid. Anything with a heat exchanger in it, including your car and air conditioner and all the refrigeration that is needed to keep everyone fed, is designed to run in a certain temperature range, and will stop working if you run it outside of that range for too long.
But wait, we can just design stuff to run in a wider temperature range! We certainly can. But we would have to redesign everything that moves heat around.
Holy shit I’ve never considered this until now. Survival skills intensify…
When you stop and actually think about our situation you realise how thin our operating margins are, we are at the mercy of whatever the planet does and our safety is subject to immediate dismissal should the conditions change. Worse of course are the random cosmic whims which could wipe us out instantly at any time e.g. comets, the sun going weird, etc.
It’s a thought that gives me comfort that we, as a species, will be evicted before we can do irreparable damage so that life can continue to evolve without us.
The Day After Tomorrow.
Basically, yeah.
The day after tomorrow was related, but relied on a no longer mainstream idea that the Arctic vortex could become a whole northern hemisphere storm, so big it would liquify nitrogen in its central low
We really hope that’s not a thing that can happen. It would render most of the northern hemisphere dead
Is there any resource for forecasting what will likely occur in a given area? I don’t see how we can stop climate change now, so I want to prepare my family for it.
Not that I’m aware of. From what I understand, that scenario would affect the entire planet.
Yeah, but the changes to weather patterns will vary from location to location, right?
This is what I mean:
Warming is already occurring in all areas of the globe, but models of future temperatures show that the changes will not be distributed equally. Polar regions and land areas are expected to see the largest temperature changes.
IPCC Working Group I, 2021
Right, but if that current shuts down, that means the transfer of warm and cold currents that power weather patterns across the entire northern hemisphere will be disrupted.
The last time that happened, the entire northern hemisphere basically froze over. If you live north of the equator, whether it’s North America, Europe, or Asia, the result would be similar: no more warm seasons and freezing to the point of glaciation, from what I understand. I’m not a climatologist, though.
Earth’s just gotta drink more if its stream is weak. I mean that’s what I do
We should also pour cranberry juice into the ocean.
OMG does our jet stream pass through a UTI too??
HEY!!! Get your science and facts out of here!
~ ~Places fingers in ears and closes eyes~ ~ laalalalalalalal
I was trying to look up why less polar ice causes shifts in the jet stream and this article cites an active debate around our understanding on this.
The tweet does not really address that point, and makes the cause and effect sound definitive.
What, are you saying a website called X where I can easily share both amateur porn, shitpost, and fight with other keyboard warriors isn’t a solid source for factual information? smh what are you talking about
Next you’re going to tell me that drinking diesel fuel is bad for my longevity or something.
Send this to the top, folks
The Xcretion says that less ice “is consistent with” a weaker jet stream, which does not imply a casual relationship. If A causes B and Y, then B is consistent with Y; or, more accurately, we can produce a useful model of the system that includes both less ice and a weaker jet stream, and have it be internally consistent.
Which is the flaw of social media science these past few years. Theories evolve as new data is presented and new hypotheses are formed. The average twitter denizen won’t have that, no sir, and will with glee smack you with an outdated textbook with equal zeal as a Bible basher.
“FACTS DONT FUGGING CHANGE YOU BIGOT” == “THE WORLD IS ONLY 6,000 YEARS OLD SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE”
Y’all ready to be gouged for survival items until money becomes irrelevant?
P.S. ‘A Capitalist Apocalypse’ would be a fun title for a political comedy song.
I’ll start writing that play. We won’t even have to splurge on the stage as the wasteland will provide a natural setting.
Tell us about the before-times again!
Even as the US hits record setting lows, the temperature of the planet as a whole remains above average. If it’s -20°F across the entire US, how hot must the rest of the planet be?
-20F? Where?
That was hyperbole, I don’t know if it’s been -20°F across the entire country at any one time, but there was a couple years ago when we had that big freeze and Texas almost died
But also gets that low in my own city sometimes
Texas almost died
That’s good shit right there.
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Calm down. It’s just words.
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It was experienced in Colorado.
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If this were common, it would increase the Earth’s albedo, reducing warning
There is a drug that the earth can take to get its albedo back now though
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New next level science unlocked.
