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She is right, using 0 index for physical stuff is stupid.
Your rulers start at 1? That sounds annoying.
I’ve seen a lot of rulers that actually don’t have a mark at 0 and instead go right to the edge as 0. Typically they are worn down, being made of wood, so the accuracy of the first inch is dubious. To ensure the distance is correct, sliding the ruler down one unit is a good idea. So, my ruler starts at 0 but my measurements start at 1.
That’s why decent rulers have a 0 and a margin:
It really depends on what you’re measuring. Good luck measuring the distance from a corner if you can’t get 0 to touch the end.
Tape measures are almost always designed with this in mind, so you can hook the end over an edge, or butt it up against something and the measurement will be accurate both ways, since the metal end can slide in or out by just the right amount.
since the metal end can slide in or out by just the right amount.
OMG! I genuinely thought all the tape measures I have handled were a little broken.
Just shave down the rulers margin!
It really depends on what you’re measuring. Good luck measuring the distance from a corner if you can’t get 0 to touch the end.
Tape measures are almost always designed with this in mind, so you can hook the end over an edge, or butt it up against something and the measurement will be accurate both ways, since the metal end can slide in or out by just the right amount.
Rulers measure cardinal quantities and not ordinal ones. There is no cardinal numbering scheme that starts at 1, all of them “start” at 0. For ordinal numbering schemes, the symbols are arbitrary anyway and you can start with whatever you want. It’s equally valid to start with 1, 0, -1, A, or “aardvark”. The only benefit to picking 1 as the start is to make it easier to count with your fingers while picking 0 lets you easily convert an ordinal quantity to a cardinal one.
Your job is to move apples from one bin to another. You pick up the first one and set it in the other bin, and say “zero.”?
There’s another way to think about it which I actually use. Look in the empty bin and say “zero”, then move an apple and say “one”.
When playing games with the kids, we start at 0 being the position you are currently in, then count from there.
e.g. in snakes and ladders, if you are on spot 30 and roll a 5, tap spot 30 and say “zero”, then spot 31 is “one” etc… till you are at spot 35 saying “five”.
Teaches the kids about zero and avoids miss counts from the younger ones counting their current position as “one”
Touchè
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No, it’s still touché.
Works for floors!
Not on this side of the pond. We typically don’t have a ground floor, that’s just the first floor.
i wish the people making buildings around here knew that. some start at floor 3, others at 5. some start at 0. others at 2. every building has its own story. you need to understand the building before you can understand your position in it.
if a building is built into a hillside in the uk and has exits on floors 2 and 5, which would be the ground floor?
it’s floor 5 from monday to wednesday, and floor 2 from thursday to sunday
My intuition would be floor 2, as it is the lowest floor to the ground that isn’t underground
Blame the restaurant for having a table identified as zero
Why? It seems exactly as valid to me, and more valid if you like positional numberings of your physical stuff.
You just count the number of times you departed from an item in order, rather than the times you arrived.
Guy is wrong. Went to 0th table. She asked for 1st table.
And then he texts back ‘where are you?’ And then she texts back ‘the first table’ and he replies ‘umm I’m here too. But I don’t see you’ confused she asks him ’ table 0p?’ And then ‘01*?’ He says ‘no, 00.’ Releaved she says ‘lol I am at table 01’ he chuckles ‘I am at 00, I’ll go find you’
Later they get married and have kids. But relationship collapses and it ruins both of them and they cannot find the heart to love anyone again. Their children grow up broken and struggle through life. Some get arrested end up in prison, all of them repeatedly fall into a series of toxic relationships for the rest of their lives.
username checks out
Or… or… hear me out… one of them turns around on their chair, and says “hey there”.
They were at the corner
In the UK it’s called a ground table.
So it was a spelling mistake? They’re actually The Knights of The Ground Table!
They dance whenever they’re gable?
do you also have minced tables there?
When you get off an airplane, do you say
“Its great to be back on solid first floor of the earth.”
?
If the walkway goes inside the building, then yes. And the walkway usually leads directly to the second floor, because the airplane door is 3 metres above the ground.
OK but what about going onto the ground?
Like, in your garden, is that the first floor of the planet?
Inside the building it’s the first floor, even if it’s exactly at the sea level altitude. Outside the building it’s the ground. Basement levels start at minus one, there is no zeroth floor.
Exactly, the idea that you go up a floor because there’s a roof over your head is very silly.
She was a lua girl, he was every other programming language guy. It was not ment to happen.
She liked embeddded apps
And he liked desktop displays
What more can I say?Hey, don’t forget the Matlab people
And R!
And abap
And Julia!
Don’t wanna state the obvious, but it looks like they still ended up staring at each other for the rest of the evening.
They have shown that they still love each other, so hope they can work with their one irreconcilable difference.
I love the idea that they’re at two adjacent tables, each one staring at the other wondering why they hate them.
They hate each other because they are intolerant to one another’s index choices
If you love me meet me at first floor
Americans 😢 British 🤷♂️
explanation
Exactly what this reminded me of. Thanks.
The Major: “Fighting retreat at first light”
Me alone in the trench the morning after next, woken by German voices: “Oh no!”
It’s for the best
That is why my restaurant will number tables by UUID.
A much better idea than when I tried to organize my restaurant with hashtables.
It was too much for the waitstaff, who had to reindex the floor plan every time they added or removed a plate.
On the plus side, delivering the right food was always O(1).
they were never meant to be together, they would confuse the hell out of each other. Imagine they have two kids and she says pick kid[1] from the school, then what?
Child Overflow ErrorEdit: oh wait you said two kids, nvm
Hol’ up!
I think children go in dictionaries so you can look them to via name (key).
One kid’s getting garbage collected either way
The real punch line is that in a cafe run by programmers, esoteric rules are in full force, but tables 0 and 1 are no where near each other.
🙅 zeroth, first, second, third
👉 Zerost, onest, twost, threestI’m the twost two that’s ever twoed.
Good luck standardizing English
Englist*
Northern England just got a new nickname.
Hey, if she thinks 1 is 1st index then you
doggeddodged a bullet and deserve better.Happy now all you English majors.
you dogged a bullet
😳
🐕🐕🐕
maybe she’s a lua developer
Wouldn’t it be nice if documentation used the words index and offset consistently?
The problem is that they both are contextual and can mean any position in a list/array. The starting index or starting offset is generally zero, but could be one, depending on the language used.
i wonder why people haven’t made a language that starts indexing at 2 yet. maybe some day
Maybe this could be a feature in brainfuck or COBOL.
god i hope so
Dreamberd starts array indexing at -1 instead of 0 or 1.
what a beautiful language
Aren’t those two the same thing? At least in C-style arrays, which might not be how they’re handled under the hood, but is at least how most languages present it to the programmer.
Yes they are presented in the programmer wrong. The first thing in memory should have offset 0 and index 1
in my understanding offset is technically the “relative index”, or how much you have to go further
DROP TABLE 01;
Dangit Bobby!
