Therefore it’s okay that we send billions in support of genocide. Don’t kid yourself, there will be no open space after your only leverage (your vote) is no longer needed. This is basic bargaining.
But you see this one Marxist endorsed Kamala, clearly everything she does (including genocide, cracking down on protests, increasing fracking, compromising with fascists, and further expanding capitalist tyranny) is for the good of the workers :3
The Venn diagram of the people who have an issue with this and the people who don’t care that David Duke supports Trump is a circle
Funnily enough, he seems to not even support Trump anymore, because hes supposedly just endorsed Jill Stein
No shit. I did find some reports confirming that, but none I trust enough to share.
NBC is reporting it, which makes it seem unlikely that it’s bullshit.
I could only find MSN aggregation of third rate sources (Times Now, The Spun, and Daily Beast).
Do you have a link?
How random, you 3 have very similar name structures.
Thing thing animal
I think Owlbears are actually one creature, its a monster from dnd or something like that. Not that it really changes the observation much I suppose, since mine’s referencing Ice-breathing dragons rather than ice and dragons separately anyway
Oh! I love Angela Davis!
That said, what a fucking weird world where she and Dick “Fuck You” Cheney are on the same side-- and somehow it’s still a toss-up election.
It’s the “Everyone who doesn’t want to put a gun against society’s head and pull the trigger” coalition.
Sadly, whether that’s a majority is yet to be seen.
She’s someone I really want to deep dive, but I have never taken the time. Her monologue that begins at 1:24 minutes into this clip was my first exposure to her and I love that moment when you realize these awful examples she’s citing are not just awful in their own right, but that they drive home her undeniable point at the end, in response to what sounds like it was a bullshit question.
She’s lived a really full life. Even her Wikipedia page is a good overview. She’s the type of activist a lot of keyboard warriors would like to pretend they are.
Did the wiki happen to mention the Marin County courthouse?
Yes. A pretty detailed write up as well. Seems like an easy thing to look up.
Yes, but then he couldn’t be here just asking questions.
Can I be here just asking questions?
Sure you can, you don’t need my permission. Will they be disingenuous questions or actual questions? :)
Met Angela in the Haight. She was with Katie Cleaver, Eldrige’s wife. Amazing how one can quickly turn from helping murder people to a "political activist’. I don’t think I need to look it up,
She explicitly did not help murder people. She was literally acquitted. Maybe you do need to look it up.
I know what happened.
Then you should have just opened with calling her a murderer instead of your rather coy question about the courthouse, as if somehow that event would have been omitted when it’s a rather famous part of her history.
Just gonna wait for the “Well actually…!” posts 🍿
“But when you reach that level,” nominee of one of the two major parties, “you have to be the face of capitalism, militarism, and neo-colonialism.” Harris, Fernandez warned, “has told us she will be that face, that she will build the most lethal military apparatus ever.”
Shit’s bleak
As dangerous as that reality is, however, she said, “There’s more to think about: Harris is not a fascist, and the other person running for president is.”
You forgot part of the quote.
I didn’t forget it, shit’s still bleak
Shit’s bleak
Ah, a Marxist who has taken actual lessons from past failings of those who adhere to the ideology. How refreshing.
“But genocide!” - Dude, it’s gonna be genocide either way. Voting for a third party or abstaining entirely isn’t going to change that.
But it could be a slightly less painful genocide if Kamala is in charge. Why not help make things marginally better?
If you only see the choices where you don’t sacrifice anything (between something prepared and served for you), you don’t have a choice.
“Slightly less painful genocide” will not even be slightly less painful. But people there sacrifice lives, while you won’t even sacrifice effort (and future efforts in court) to do something of a long list of actions which constitute political terrorism. You are not willing to even break law to defend people who are not being just abused, but murdered en masse in horrible ways.
Then you pretend with that cowardly logic that these are all choices you have, so you don’t even want to take responsibility for choosing the easy and safe path of doing nothing.
you won’t even sacrifice effort (and future efforts in court) to do something of a long list of actions which constitute political terrorism. You are not willing to even break law to defend people who are not being just abused, but murdered en masse in horrible ways.
Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.
You don’t know me. You don’t know what I have or have not done. Voting and direct action are not mutually exclusive.
Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.
Not your business.
You don’t know me. You don’t know what I have or have not done. Voting and direct action are not mutually exclusive.
All I’ve said follows from your own comment.
Lol what a rebuttal!
Literally “no u”
Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.
Pot calling the kettle black a bit ain’t ya.
I hope you do walk the walk to go along with your big talk, but take responsibility for your words too. Statements like yours gives people a reason to feel “good enough” about “slightly less genocide”. And if we all keep repeating the mantra “slightly less genocide”, we can feel “good enough” all the way to complete genocide.
Then we can all wear a big frown so everyone knows how upset we are about it.
People on the internet will really be like ‘you believe in voting? that pales in effectiveness to my strategy, firebombing a Walmart’ and then not firebomb a Walmart.
When people are getting firebombed by thousands in your name, you’d do well to at least dream day and night of firebombing anything near you.
Dreaming is just another word for “thoughts and prayers”.
Hey, I regularly do that… it usually happens after I’ve had too much taco bell but I leave those bathrooms looking like a war zone.
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The reality is there are only two choices. Which will you choose?
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That’s more of a general human trait than an American one. Yes, Americans are very fond of their exceptionalism, but valuing the lives of your own tribe and kin more than those of others is something most mammals share. I dont want war anywhere in the world. I hope you have a nice day.
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That’s exactly the problem, no one can force Netanyahu to do anything. He’s complety off his rocker. He’s doing everything to stay in power, because the moment he’s not, the courts will go after him. That’s why he’s trying to appease both those pushing for peace (Yes, I actually mean Biden here) and the warmongers (Israeli right wingers). Notice how he hasn’t gotten all the hostages back? That’s on purpose. The longer the war goes on, the better for him. Now, who do you rather want in the White House next year? A feeble old man who will go along with everything Bibi says? Or an experienced prosecutor who can put her foot down?
I’m sorry for your friends. They need to leave, now. If war came to my doorstep, that’s what I would do.
I’ve done so, Peter Welch is solidly against genocide and Bernie Sanders is trying congressional wizardry to try and cut off arms shipments.
So no actual answer then?
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Nobody asks you to fix America, they asked you what choice you would make.
Here are the options:
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 10,000 people dying-You can vote for a candidate that represents 5,000 people dying
-You can abstain and guarantee that the candidate that represents 10,000 people dying wins.
These are your options. There are no other options. So maybe you value your own personal moral integrity more than the lives of 5,000 people, but any reasonable person will see that the second option is the only viable choice if you actually want to be decent.
edit: formating
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Are you implying the USA has a functional democracy whose actions follow the will of the people?
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Not your responsibility? Oh, okay. Then feel free to refrain from contributing to the conversation.
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Lol. What a lot of effort it must be to project your preconceptions on some rando on the internet. How do you know I don’t give a shit? That seeing these things doesn’t hurt me to my core? What do you want me to do, go out and start murdering politicians? Sit down and think for a few minutes before writing your next comment.
You okay?
People here are not in charge of the Israeli government you know.
Or you meant the Russo Ukrainian war? Well then I sure hope Kamala wins too.
What about the Uyghurs? Shal we vote thirdparty so donald can give a full go to China there too?
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You sound upset, is everything okay?
The reality is that there are thousand of choices but propaganda makes you believe there’s only two. The world and society weren’t build by the red and blue party.
Aspirationally, of course there are more than two choices. Realistically, only two of those have a chance at success. The US electoral system has ensured this. The way to fix the system is to elect those who want to change it for the better, not those who wish to destroy it and all it stands for.
Realistically until elections are over everyone has the same change of winning because ballot polls are hypothetical. Voting is not the only way you have to change things for good. The same way there’s people advocating for corrupted parties you can waste your energies on something more useful.
And as you smile smugly to yourself about your moral superiority for choosing philosophy over the unfortunate situation that is reality, women die due to lack of reasonable healthcare, minorities and those deemed “deviant” by fundamentalists are oppressed, and the genocide in Palestine is ramped up and overtly supported by American interests because the right doesn’t do this kind of philosophical masturbation and thus handily wins the election.
Look, I want to see the end of the binary too, but only an ignorant person thinks you can win a race by being dropped off at the finish line and walking 2 steps. The end of the binary will not come from a surprise upset Presidential election out of nowhere. It just won’t. Not today, not ever. If you actually give a shit about making a change and not just feeling above it all personally, you’d be out on the streets in non election years working to legitimize third party candidates in viable lower and local races where they can win and affect change outside the party system. And if you’re somewhere where that has already happened, you’d be working with them to extend their reach, pushing their influence further. Or you’d be running locally as a third-party candidate yourself.
And if you are already doing that, first off thank you so much, but secondly, then you must understand what a difficult uphill battle the fight is and more importantly you must understand you can’t just skip ahead to the finish line.
You mention that voting is not the only way to change things for good and you are absolutely right. Hell, I’d say it’s not even one of the primary ways. But what voting is is one of the highest return on investment ways of effecting change; the amount of effect it takes to vote is beyond nominal, practically insignificant, yet the consequences have significant real world impact. Not smartly utilizing your vote is like being hungry in a cabin in the woods and taking a knife out hunt a wild boar for food when there is a literal ham sandwich in a ziploc bag in the fridge waiting for you.
Sure, every voter in the country could suddenly and radically change their minds about who to vote for, but we both know that isn’t going to happen, because it’s never happened. The only time that a third party has ever upset an established party is when the Republicans threw out the Whigs before the American Civil War. They did that through years of lead-up and messaging, along with a growing emancipation movement. You’re not changing anyone’s minds that radically this close to an election.
Believe it or not, I don’t spend most of my day voting or responding to internet comments.
Welcome to the real world. Sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils. It’s terrible but it is also your best course of action.
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yep, and you voting for twice the amount of killing, when it wasn’t necessary. History, what a bitch
Some infinities are larger than others.
Most people prefer less genocide. It’s quite good for it to be scarce.
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Oh, you only want no genocide and not no killing? Do you have a soul? You’re such a monster!
We can go on forever saying some things are worse than others. Eventually you have to accept you don’t have a choice of perfection, and you never will.
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There is no way to write that sentence without a double-negative. Quotes could have differentiated it (not “no killing”), but there’s no alternative with the same meaning that isn’t a double-negative (at least that I’m aware of).
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I’m sorry, I don’t have a bomber. That is not a choice I have. I also am not a member of the International Court of Justice nor am I an attorney or a UN representative. I don’t really have any power to enforce the Geneva convention. By the way you’re speaking it appears you do and you should use that power instead of telling others they aren’t doing it.
What does boycotting the election do that is any different than if I just didn’t exist? If they can just ignore me, then what effect does that have that forces them to change? It would appear effectively being non-existent is the cowardly option.
You speak a big game, but you don’t actually play it. Its easy to say something isn’t enough, but what actually would be? I can always point to a flaw. A coward would say “I’m just not going to do anything.” Someone who actually cares will accept that they have a moral responsibility to do what they can to achieve the best outcome, even if that outcome isn’t perfect and still has massive moral flaws, because the alternative would only be worse.
Being cowardly and letting the worst option come to fruition is true moral degeneracy. The Palestinians that die from US support ramping up will be on everyone’s hands, and especially those who chose it or didn’t try to prevent it, including those from outside trying to make other do so.
But it could be a slightly less painful genocide if Kamala is in charge.
Are you joking? The situation is dire when people are patting themselves on the back for a “slightly less painful genocide” whatever the hell that means in practice.
It means genocide but the bombs have pride flags instead of American flags, so completely different and if you disagree you’re a Russian bot :3
It’s called accepting reality for what it is and doing your best with the plausible options available.
I.E. being an adult
People Who Say It Cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt Those Who Are Doing It
Being an adult means shutting up and taking it. Got it.
No, it means recognizing a shitty situation and working to make it less shitty - the “I won’t vote for Harris because genocide” crowd are refusing to make a situation less shitty because they want the situation to not be shitty at all. Big problems don’t have easy solutions - in this case we can all see what a good action would be (stopping any offensive arms sales to Isreal) but the political situation is such that that’s not going to happen - we tried to make that happen and I’m deeply grateful to everyone who protested the DNC.
But, at the end of the day, Trump will accelerate the genocide. He’s the worst outcome.
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The Adults In The Room are here to make Tough Decisions just like in muh TV slop and wouldn’t you know it, those Tough Decisions involve slaughtering the poor and vulnerable for the benefit of the rich. Anyone who thinks wanton slaughter of the poor is bad, actually, is just a Whiny Child who Doesn’t Understand muh Complexity and Nuance needs to Grow Up and Accept Reality, and anyway that’s why we need to Kill All The
JewsPalestinians.Grow a fucking spine. Or a conscience. Or both.
People who say “Kamela Harris supports genocide!” keep forgetting Trump literally put the Israeli Embassy in Jerusalem and wants to nuke everything…
I randomly remembered that Ben Shapiro claimed multiple times that radiation was a myth liberals made up to get people to not use nukes… These Right Wingers are crazy
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The current vice president of usa is supporting a genocide and that’s a fact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
Running for elections against someone who is even worst than you doesn’t magically make you less of a criminal, especially when you are supporting a genocide where dozen of kids are being murdered daily.
It doesn’t make you less of a criminal, which no one is claiming, but it does make you the lesser criminal.
Shame on you, you are complicit. You will go down in history as one of the person that supported this genocide.
Dude, it’s gonna be genocide either way
Help make things better and stop supporting the government and parties who are fueling the genocide
Good news! You will too! You are a member of a society that is all participating. Just because you pretend like you have better morals by not actually participating in a meaningful way doesn’t mean you aren’t complicit. If someone is about to be murdered and you don’t stop them because “you don’t want to get your hand dirty” then you made a choice to do nothing. Doing nothing (or meaningfully nothing) doesn’t keep you clean, it makes you complicit with anything that happens, not fighting against the worst possible outcome.
Good news! You will too! You are a member of a society that is all participating.
Don’t confuse being a victim yourself of your authoritarian state wrongdoings with actively endorsing and supporting your government.
not actually participating in a meaningful way
Not supporting fascists (israel government) or these behind them is a much more meaningful way to help things for good than directly endorsing and supporting them.
If someone is about to be murdered and you don’t stop them because “you don’t want to get your hand dirty” then you made a choice to do nothing.
Kids are being murdered in gaza right now as we talk and what you are doing is advocating for the perpetrators, again shame on you.
Not supporting fascists (israel government) or these behind them is a much more meaningful way to help things for good than directly endorsing and supporting them.
What does not supporting them do? Give me an actual answer of how it effects them in a way that’s different from you not existing at all.
Kids are being murdered in gaza right now as we talk and what you are doing is advocating for the perpetrators, again shame on you.
Women are dying in the US because they can’t get treatment for pregnancy related complications. Trans people are being denied Healthcare. People are starving and unhoused.
No matter what, everything won’t be fixed. Even if you got to hand pick a perfect candidate, they wouldn’t or couldn’t fix everything. You always only have the choice between what the best outcome will be, not the perfect outcome. Not making a choice makes you a participant in whatever outcome others pick for you.
Shame on you if things get worse because you wanted to pretend moral superiority. Everyone who gets hurt or dies after this is on you (too). Actual morality is a little more complicated than what you’re pretending. It’s a very complex and diverse subject, and there really isn’t black and white.
Women are dying in the US because they can’t get treatment for pregnancy related complications. Trans people are being denied Healthcare. People are starving and unhoused.
And you are advocating for the government in charge! Shame on you! If someone gets hurt you voted for it, don’t you try to put the blame on others, you are supporting this shit more than everyone else
And if someone gets hurt, you didn’t vote to prevent it. Which one is worse? I’d rather try to do good than not participate and allow bad to happen.
… don’t you try to put the blame on others…
Oh, only you’re allowed to do that. My bad. I forgot that only people doing nothing get to blame other people! Sorry! People who actually do want to participate in making the best choice for the most people just have to accept that we did what’s best and can’t point out the failing of people advocating for not doing what’s best.
Can we stop editorializing every-fucking article in this community?
She did not ‘endorse’ Harris or any of her policies, she simply argued on behalf of harm reduction.
That should be enough for yall to parade around in triumph anyway without twisting it into something ridiculous
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Threads like this are good because they highlight the ignorance and the malice of people. Half of the people here have no idea who Marx is.
Yeah lets vote thirdparty instead to elect trump, amIright?
Let’s study some history first buddy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
You forgot Mein Kampf.
