“What Israeli forces are doing in besieged North Gaza cannot be allowed to continue,” the human rights official said.

Israel could kill everyone left in Northern Gaza if its assault on the enclave continues, a United Nations relief official warned on Saturday

“Hospitals have been hit, and health workers have been detained. Shelters have been emptied and burned down. First responders have been prevented from saving people from under the rubble. Families have been separated, and men and boys are being taken away by the truckload,”

Msuya estimated that Israel’s actions in the north had killed hundreds and displaced tens of thousands. According to Al Jazeera, an Israeli siege on the north that began earlier in October has killed around 640.

“The Biden-Harris administration must stop the flow of U.S. weapons to Israel which constitutes a necessary step to halting Israel’s ongoing war crimes,” IMEU wrote on social media Saturday. “It’s time for an arms embargo now.”

  • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
    843·
    25 days ago

    If Israel actually completes its mission and kills every man, woman, and child in Palestine, would that make the western powers any more inclined to call it genocide?

    • cley_faye@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      25 days ago

      They would start to “seriously consider the possibility that perhaps something was not right”

      • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        24 days ago

        “We will have to think about scheduling a call to plan a meeting to start having talks about perhaps organising a committee which would make a recommendation as to how we should go about getting ready to write a sternly worded press release (in which we won’t criticise Israel too much).”

        The four stage strategy

    • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      25 days ago

      Probably not for a few decades at least. It’s only when today’s college aged people take power that it’ll get labeled as such. And even then, it’s not a guarantee.

    • Nihilistra@lemmy.worldEnglish
      141·
      24 days ago

      Most probably suspect it’s genocide and know they, by not speaking out, at least support it passively. But it just doesn’t matter for their immediate or the near future, so nothing will happen. Thoughts and prayers…

      I see two main culprits that enable Israel to eradicate the Palestinian people and their livelihood in manner and speed we see now. The US and germany. Many other western political elites seem far more divided on the topic but probably fear the backlash of speaking out.

      70% of the weapons come from the US and they will never stop to supply their FOB. Democrats or republicans will veto everything and make it as hard as possible to even reach a clear global verdict on what happened and how to classify it.

      Most of the remaining 30% come from germany.

      Here the key argument is that Israel is worthy of unwavering support due to the historical fact of the holocaust and the inhumane acts inflicted on the Jewish population.

      Scholz said recently that the security of Israel is a National interest of germany. As a german I feel this too, although for me the state of Israel and the global jewish population we did unspeakable crimes to are not necessarily the same. There are lines that can be crossed that limit my willingness of support. It’s not unconditional and they crossed them. Israel crossed them, not the jews.

      I also feel past and present crimes the jewish people had to endure can be used to understand why Israel is acting the way it does but it can’t be a justification of their barbaric way of waging this war against Hamas.

      In short, nothing will change. Sorry for the long reply, this shit really grinds my gears.

      • Doorbook@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        24 days ago

        US, Germany, UK, Canada, Ireland, Italy, Spain, and many more you have to dig a bit to find the details sometimes

        Edit: Here info about Ireland:

        I found out the other day from an interview with Irish advocate but here some info about it:

        https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/05/28/sharp-increase-in-export-of-irish-goods-to-israel-that-could-be-used-for-military-purposes-report-shows/

        https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41404601.html

        • Nihilistra@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          24 days ago

          It was not ours to decide after the war but its an interesting thought. I’d like to see the outcome of that alternative timeline.

          Many of the administrative positions were still filled with former Nazis. Most germans in denial of what happened. Also the winning powers seemed far more interested in the spoils of war compared to a just but self-limiting gesture of goodwill.

          Sketchy ground for such huge undertaking that would have made german willingness and acceptance paramount.

          Also the first thing that comes to my mind is that this decision would jave encaged the victims with the perpetrators. Tough deal to sell to the world.

          • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            3·
            24 days ago

            I think germany is still in denial, i think part of the reason why germany is so opposed to even acknowledge palestinian genocide is because, to acknowledge it, is to acknowledge that the “israel solution” was inadequate.

            On its core, the rise of hitler and persecution of jews were a result of racism. The economy fell and people started to blame the jews, it could just as easily have been another minority group.

            You can actually see a similar behaviour in modern day germany, The economy went downhill because of a series of bad decisions before covid (over reliance on russian oil, closing all nuclear plants etc.) And the german population started to align themselves with neo nazi (like AfD), as evident from the last election. Neo-nazism now blames immigrants for all the german troubles.

            Clearly whatever steps Germany (and the west in general) took, including the creation of israel, were not enough.

            Feel free to correct me if i am wrong about anything.

            • boomzillaEnglish
              0·
              23 days ago

              Yeah and now our industrial gas tanks are filled with non-russian gas, we got one of the most stable energy grids in Europe, we import 2% of our energy from other countries (0.5% from the nuclear power france) and export some of it on good days and energy prices & inflation rates are on a pre-2022 level. Thanks to the Green party.

              Then we got rich populists like Merz, Söder, Linnemann, Spahn or Schäffler who are in close ties with the fossil fuel industry (The Republic, BlackRock, Heritage Foundation, Atlas Network, Heartland Institute, Koch Brothers) whose only target during their electoral campaigns are the Greens, immigrants and people on welfare payments. Blaming the Greens for political decissions they supported themselves while they were in power for 16 years (nuclear power exit, end of combustion engines, heating without fossil fuels and fricking bottle caps). Instead of working together with the progressives against the neo nazis from AfD they proclaim they’re the solution against their uprising by fighting against the progressives. Weimar Republic reloaded.

              All while our political imbecile citizens are believing their talking points and the smear campaigns of “Welt” and “Bild” (funded by above listed networks) that the Greens will be our downfall. I would leave this stupid country if I had the money.

              https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1842811627994759358.html

              https://x.com/Tentoads4truth/status/1822625100979397011/photo/2

            • Crass Spektakel@lemmy.worldEnglish
              15·
              23 days ago

              Right-Wing Parties are only a concern in the low populated Eastern German parts. I assure you, in Bavaria we have not forgotten Munich 1972. When Israel took care of the heads behind it pretty much every German applauded.

              • foenkyfjutschahEnglish
                1·
                23 days ago

                na klar, wofür haben die Freien Wähler bei der letzten wahl nochmal so viele punkte dazugewonnnen? iirc waren das inkl. AfD am ende +10% für verkappte nazis. bleib mal locker im Hofbräuhaus.

          • مهما طال الليل@lemm.eeEnglish
            22·
            24 days ago

            The real reason is that Zionists and Western powers wanted to use Israel to colonize and subjugate the region and also solve Europe’s “Jewish problem”, a new iteration of the Crusader states.

            “We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” – Theodor Herzl

            Quote source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-jewish-state-quot-theodor-herzl

            • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              5·
              24 days ago

              The belford declaration was signed for 3 reasons:

              1. the christians at the time thought that by sending jews to the holy land will bring forth their messiah and the world will end.

              2. europe (including britain) had a lot of anti-semites, and the creation of israel meant that there would be less jews in europe.

              3. britain wanted a buffer state/intermediate state between themselves and india so they can influence and subjugate those regions more effectively.

              The only jew in the british parliament opposed both the declaration and herzl’s idea of zionism. In fact jewish community themselves opposed zionism but then hitler came to power which caused many jews to change their opinions.

    • SulaymanF@lemmy.worldEnglish
      142·
      24 days ago

      They’ll move those goalposts. “We killed everyone in Gaza by having them starve to death but we spared West Bank!”

      “We didn’t massacre the Arabs who have Israeli citizenship!”

      “We just deported every Arab from Israel and all territory we control, but we didn’t kill them!”

      • assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.worldEnglish
        91·
        24 days ago

        Or they’ll say something like ‘well actually, it’s genoslaughter not genocide because israel didn’t mean to kill all the Gazan’s they just did so accidentally.’

    • RubberElectrons@lemmy.worldEnglish
      121·
      24 days ago

      This is so disgusting. I never wanted to visit Israel even if it was for $free, but now I have even less respect for those Zionist assholes, and I had low respect for them before.

    • Doorbook@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      24 days ago

      The colonization power couldn’t say the word ceasefire. I don’t think the can say the word genocide.

      • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        24 days ago

        That defence holds about such water as a colander. There is so much evidence to the contrary that it boggles the mind. They have bombed hospitals, schools, bomb shelters, kettled the entire population into a tiny parcel of land in the southernmost tip of the country while they finish levelling the rest of Palestine, and stopped all aid, journalists, water, and food entering the country. And then to add insult to injury they bomb the safe zones.

        A country’s right to defend itself does not extend to this. This isn’t defence.

        Do they expect the civilians with blown off limbs in bombed-out hospitals to walk to these not-so-safe zones? How do they expect the entire population to survive in these cramped conditions with no access to critical food, water, and medicine heading into winter? (Hint: they don’t.)

          • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
            142·
            24 days ago

            bomb shelters

            can you provide a source for this

            So…even if they didn’t, you’d be fine with the hospitals, schools, safe zones, etc? Just because of one fuckin flimsy ass excuse from Israel? And have you seen proof of every school, hospital, et al that’s been bombed being used by Hamas? Are you not asking for proof of that? But when the people are being fuckin slaughtered, you need proof that EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN safe haven had been leveled before you fuckin stand up for the people facing a goddamn genocide? Wheat the fuck is wrong with you

            But fine.

            https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-palestinian-civilians-safety-airstrikes-f38f27da1dd995acc14e6db1524761e7

            • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              413·
              24 days ago

              I have heard from attacks on schools, hospitals, and safe zones. These were all used by combatants and thus legal military objectives under international humanitarian law.

              I have never even heard of bomb shelters existing for civilians in Gaza.

              • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
                133·
                24 days ago

                …do you even hear yourself?

                These people don’t have bomb shelters. WHERE THEY WERE TOLD BY ISRAEL TO SHELTER, THEY WERE FUCKING SLAUGHTERED. THAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM YOU GODDAMN MONSTER

                • Doorbook@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  52·
                  24 days ago

                  Don’t engage with troll. They are either bot, or have no plan to engage in any form of discussion instead utilities your time, to read news or maybe send letter or share the news with people around you. It is more productive to stop the genocide than talking to a bot or an idiot online.

                • foenkyfjutschahEnglish
                  11·
                  24 days ago

                  Hamas has hundreds of kilometers worth of bomb shelters.

                  • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
                    2·
                    23 days ago

                    Yeah…but Hamas isn’t the people of Palestine. Hamas is a brutal fundamentalist regime.

                    That doesn’t mean Israel is not committing genocide.

                  • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
                    112·
                    24 days ago

                    Excuse me for getting emotional over a fucking genocide. I find it strange that you’re not emotional over a clear as day genocide happening with all the proof in the world in front of our very eyes. And how you’re defending genocide as just a necessary step because of some flimsy ass excuse I simply don’t understand. I’m a human, so I tend to, y’know, passionately dislike genocide. What makes you defend genocide, if you don’t mind my asking?

                    I wonder if people were dismissed during the holocaust for getting emotional about the slaughter of innocent people.

          • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
            61·
            24 days ago

            Can you provide a source for this?

            This attack was four days ago

            For many months we have heard claims of imminent death starvation of millions and that evacuation from Rafah would be impossible. These claims didn’t materialize.

            I mean, evacuation is impossible at this point isnt it? Where would they go? Back to the levelled north? Force their way into Egypt? The fact that they aren’t all dead yet doesn’t disprove that Israel’s intent is to cause it, they just haven’t finished yet.

              • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
                82·
                24 days ago

                Oh sorry, I misread the article. It turns out Israel bombed a school that was situated in a refugee camp. It was being used as a shelter, that’s much better.

                But I looked into it and apparently Gaza doesn’t have bomb shelters, so it would be hard for Israel to bomb them, I suppose. Too expensive to build while embargoed and not prioritised by their government, I will strike that from my comment.

                Why doesn’t Egypt open the border?

                There are many reasons why they are reluctant. Do you think Egypt has the facilities to house and feed 2.2 million refugees? Does any country?

                Why should Palestinians be forced to leave when Israel insist they will not allow them to return to their homeland?

                  • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    51·
                    24 days ago

                    Yeah, Hamas are bastards. They have not allowed elections and ruled dictatorially for a generation, and do not have a right to think they represent the people of Gaza. The innocent civillian Gazan population don’t deserve to suffer as a result. Hamas have done horrible things, not building necessary bomb shelters from an oppressive Israel is one of them. The lack of bomb shelters in Gaza does not mean you or anyone should condone bombing of a civilian population. They had the nerve to talk to NYT to say they were getting PTSD from running over too many unarmed Gazan civilians with a bulldozer. Actions like this make Netanyahu, and the complicit IDF and encourageable Israeli voting population bastards.

                    That this needs to be spelled out is depressing.

          • zbyte64@awful.systemsEnglish
            1·
            23 days ago

            For many months we have heard claims of imminent death starvation of millions and that evacuation from Rafah would be impossible. These claims didn’t materialize

            Just thousands of deaths from starvation, not millions, totally not a genocide. /s

      • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        72·
        24 days ago

        Thats actually a tool of genocide. The whole point of creating the gas chambers was to create an efficient genocide machine. The guards who took the prisoners to the chambers were different from guards who took the bodies. The guards who interacted with the prisoners weren’t allowed to decide who got to live and who did not.

        All in all, the chambers gave the guards a sense of “we are just following orders” feeling thus lessening their guilt. Because no matter how cruel it is, the humans will feel guilt.

        The calling for evacuation is also a similar tool to lessen the guilt of the soldiers. Afterall, those people who died were told to evacuate therefore their death is on their hands.

      • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        24 days ago

        Israel declaring everyone should just leave is great and everything but where is safe for them to go?

        Its just, to me, the only places they seem to be able to go that might be safe are outside of Palestine but maybe I’m just being cynical.