My intuition is that this is mostly projected insecurity. For somebody who’s doing something ethically questionable, it’s pretty handy to have some group on hand to blame for being self-righteous and insufferable and so on. Very convenient indeed.
PS: ethically questionable does not necessarily mean “bad” or “wrong”, but it is undeniable that vegans and vegetarians cause less animal suffering and environmental damage than the rest of us. Anyone who can take a deep breath and look at things rationally should be able to admit that.
If you buy basically anything from the meat, or dairy, or egg, aisle of your supermarket then you are creating demand for something whose production involves quite a lot of suffering.
So, yes, it is true. You may not want it to be true, but it is.
If you buy basically anything from the meat, or dairy, or egg, aisle of your supermarket then you are creating demand for a product whose creation involves quite a lot of suffering.
Producers would not produce meat if nobody bought it. There’s a direct causal link between the two. Just because this specific cow didn’t die for you to specifically eat it doesn’t remove the link between your choice and the death.
iPhones also weren’t produced with the hopes that people would buy them, Apple did extensive market research. Had they found that people wouldn’t buy them, they wouldn’t have produced them. Have you ever looked into how product development happens?
My intuition is that this is mostly projected insecurity. For somebody who’s doing something ethically questionable, it’s pretty handy to have some group on hand to blame for being self-righteous and insufferable and so on. Very convenient indeed.
PS: ethically questionable does not necessarily mean “bad” or “wrong”, but it is undeniable that vegans and vegetarians cause less animal suffering and environmental damage than the rest of us. Anyone who can take a deep breath and look at things rationally should be able to admit that.
this just isn’t true. I don’t cause any animal suffering. most people don’t. (except pests, or by accident)
If you buy basically anything from the meat, or dairy, or egg, aisle of your supermarket then you are creating demand for something whose production involves quite a lot of suffering.
So, yes, it is true. You may not want it to be true, but it is.
demand does not causally lead to production.
Of course it does.
I bought a PlayStation. Sony isn’t going to put it back into production, despite proven demand.
producers are free agents, so the only phenomenon that can be said to cause their actions is their own will.
Producers would not produce meat if nobody bought it. There’s a direct causal link between the two. Just because this specific cow didn’t die for you to specifically eat it doesn’t remove the link between your choice and the death.
At least that’s my non-vegan perspective.
iphones were produced before anyone bought one. producers can’t know whether a product will sell in the future.
iPhones also weren’t produced with the hopes that people would buy them, Apple did extensive market research. Had they found that people wouldn’t buy them, they wouldn’t have produced them. Have you ever looked into how product development happens?
This is a silly sophistry and you know it is. Demand is what incentivizes supply.
the theory of supply and demand is a price discovery theory. it’s not an immutable law about when factories turn on production.
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.
Fair enough. Others will judge for themselves.