My stubborn position is that all fruits are vegetables.
Anything that comes from a plant (vegetation) is a vegetable.
EDIT: Reading up on the case, they apparently didn’t treat fruits and vegetables as disjoint sets but rather with fruits as a subset of vegetables. So far, so good…
HOWEVER, they also apparently ruled that tomatoes don’t count as a fruit because they aren’t eaten for dessert…
This sounds to me like a reasonable way to disqualify something as a culinary fruit.
Folks like to make a big hullabaloo about tomatoes being technically a fruit, but no one gives a second thought about referring to peppers, cucumbers, green beans, eggplant, avocado, pumpkins & other squash, or corn on-the-cob as vegetables even though they are all technically fruit.
And I was being picky there, because beans, peas, grains and nuts are all also technically fruit. Heck, lots of “nuts” like peanuts and cashews aren’t even really nuts.
Keep your taxonomy out of my kitchen:
Fruit are sweet.
Vegetables are not.
Grains make bread.
Herbs and spices add a lot of flavor with a little bit. Herbs are the green ones.
nuts are. They just are. Don’t think about it too hard.
Lemons and limes? And there are many naturally sweet vegetables, such as carrots, peas, sweet corn, etc.
It’s also not a reasonable way to disqualify something as a fruit, both because tomatoes themselves are used for a lot of different desserts, and because many other botanical fruits are used to make desserts, such as pumpkins, avocado, corn, red beans, etc.
My stubborn position is that all fruits are vegetables.
Anything that comes from a plant (vegetation) is a vegetable.
EDIT: Reading up on the case, they apparently didn’t treat fruits and vegetables as disjoint sets but rather with fruits as a subset of vegetables. So far, so good…
HOWEVER, they also apparently ruled that tomatoes don’t count as a fruit because they aren’t eaten for dessert…
Wow… just… wow.
Fruit is a scientific term. Vegetable is a culinary term.
Fruit is also a culinary term that is not identical to its meaning as a scientific term
That’s the one the SCOTUS used.
There we go. A tomato can be a fruit and not a fruit at the same time.
Oh cool, now we can namedrop Schrödinger into this to give an even more educated impression.
As a former worker at a steel plant, I concur.
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This sounds to me like a reasonable way to disqualify something as a culinary fruit.
Folks like to make a big hullabaloo about tomatoes being technically a fruit, but no one gives a second thought about referring to peppers, cucumbers, green beans, eggplant, avocado, pumpkins & other squash, or corn on-the-cob as vegetables even though they are all technically fruit.
And I was being picky there, because beans, peas, grains and nuts are all also technically fruit. Heck, lots of “nuts” like peanuts and cashews aren’t even really nuts.
Keep your taxonomy out of my kitchen:
I think this is more about which definitions to use for the purpose of tariffs than which definitions these things fall under.
Lemons and limes? And there are many naturally sweet vegetables, such as carrots, peas, sweet corn, etc.
It’s also not a reasonable way to disqualify something as a fruit, both because tomatoes themselves are used for a lot of different desserts, and because many other botanical fruits are used to make desserts, such as pumpkins, avocado, corn, red beans, etc.
Counterpoint: Oranges, pineapples
Both of those are sweet and fruit…?
That’s not really a stubborn position. That’s definitively true.
All fruits are vegetables; not all vegetables are fruit.