The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.
According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.
Reminder that many states have “STAND YOUR GROUND” laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn’t produce badges or a warrant.
Funny you think people will still get a fair trial (or even a trial at all instead of a bullet or “accident”) in the United States after shooting someone from the regime.
it’s encouraging to see Americans who still believe the law means anything. I hope you manifest it back into existence.
Fun Fact: In Indiana, you can legally convert ICE agents into a fine red mist if they try this.
They have no legal protections while breaking the law.
Problem is… It then gets reduced to you shooting at people, and people shooting at you. That’s seems like lose lose situation.
I mean, if you’re going to die anyway, might as well take some assholes with you.
And dying in a concentration camp in El Salvador is a lose win situation
So… where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?
Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?
There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
This is the real takeaway. Orwell was right about a lot of shit, but the use of language as a means of control was extra prescient.
See they are not coming for their guns, so there does not appear to be a problem. Yet.
Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i’d say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.
Well, constitutionally, they can’t for whatever that’s worth now.
That bold faced liar can go right to hell.
Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.
I’m personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.
Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it’s our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.
There are very few people who would survive this tactic though.
Still seems like a stupid plan—2nd amendment or not (which is really not what the 2nd was about before courts made it anyway). At best you take one with you on the way out, if you’re ready when they break in. At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
If everyone they illegally targeted managed to take one this problem would be quickly resolved
Any statement that begins with “If everyone one…” is going to be followed by something that would be great, but won’t happen. As much as we may both 100% believe it should.
I’ve never imagined I’d survive a fascist regime.
^ This, 100%
Some of us don’t have the luxury to keep our heads down and blend in when fascists want to target those who are “different.” That’s why I am outspoken about it - I can’t hide who I am, and even if I could, I’d refuse to live a lie.
I don’t have kids, I don’t have pets, the only person depending on my survival is me. If fascists come to take me, I’d rather go down and take them with me than go into the black hole (an entity from which nothing escapes) of a foreign prison/death camp.
To assume one will merely be “detained” and given due process in the United States is, sadly, a naïve take in 2025.
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Fuck fascists
At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
I’m well past that point. Especially with this fascist dictatorship. Being detained will likely get us tortured or thrown into a concentration camp. I’d rather die resisting these fuckers than die in some torture room.
Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.
This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people’s doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts – especially in blue areas – are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.
Edit to add: You’re also not protecting your “property” in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you’re going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight – especially in your own home.
Also, the person may go to jail, but dead is dead. The person shot will be gone, and may make others be more cautious, as hopelessly goulish as that thought is. I hope that things calm down and the rule of law returns before things escalate that far. I don’t recognize the country right now.
Well, that’s pretty much how the entire crime and punishment system is supposed to work. Do the crime, get got for it, others hoping to do the same thing will hopefully think twice before doing so in the future.
Therefore I think it’s completely fair that this script gets flipped on the fascists who are pretending to be “law” enforcement.
I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal
It would be federal, because it would be a federal agent getting shot. Any murder of a federal officer–including postal carriers–is a federal crime, in addition to being a state crime. OTOH, remember that a large number of federal judges are not friendly to Herr Fuhrer.
Yes, and also aren’t hordes of these dipshits local cops that Trump is aiming to “deputize” to assist ICE? Those guys are not Federal agents no matter how hard they wish.
Well, the immigration official can sign the warrant themselves, so… still a warrant if I’m hearing right. But, a super fucked up warrant nonetheless.
Warrants from entities involved in enforcement aren’t warrants for the 4th amendment.
Doesn’t seem like it really matters if the courts rule against it. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism, and no one seems to be willing to escalate.
Yes they do. The US Marshall service is considered the judicial armed police force. Though at the moment they enforce immigration as one of their functions they would be the ones to arrest federal cops for doing unconstitutional (illegal) shit in theory.
Unfortunately wrong. The marshals work for Pam Bondi at the DOJ. Still under the control of the executive.
Sounds like something an illegal alien would say… /s
This is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, and they are counting on the Supreme Court to back then, which they won’t. Then they’ll just ignore the Supreme Court, and do it anyway.
Which is why everyone needs to be arming themselves and open-carrying at protests moving forward.
Agree. They need to be extremely afraid of us. Politicians are greedy cowards, and they only respond to money and fear. We don’t have money to bribe them like the Sociopathic Oligarchs, so we have to make their fear of us overwhelm their greed.
Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they’re looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.
Sounds like a second amendment solution.
violent problems require violent solutions.
Can’t wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state
Once upon a time, German authorities decided to raid the home, or rather estate, of the local Hell’s Angel boss. Police (SEK) came up to the door in civilian clothes and balaclavas, announced themselves as police. Boss inside panics, thinks it’s a rival gang trying to take him out, grabs a shotgun, shoots a police through the door. Ultimately gets apprehended.
Police file murder charges. State attorney downgrades that to manslaughter. Judge says “WTF that was self defence if police don’t want to get shot through the door they shouldn’t be running around ringing doorbells in civilian clothes and balaclavas anybody can shout ‘police open up!’”. Still got nailed for illegal possession of firearms on top of everything else he was wanted for, of course. Welcome to German law where you can legally stand your ground with a full auto but are not allowed to own one.
Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
The person who would that, if they are somehow still alive, will be crucified by the state.
Yep
No way. The courts would set them free.
I wish I was that optimistic
We have precedent on this exact issue, actually. Down in Florida 5-10 years ago. Sometimes the courts do as you say. Not all the time, though. Details matter.
A lot depends on your race. Things like Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine tend to go better for white folks.
Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.
Republicans would be the ones looking for Anne Frank.
The hypotheticals have run out of runway. They’re here.
And also out of Janeway. Save us, Captain; we need you now more than ever!
Shit, Republicans would re-crucify Jesus as woke and harboring criminals.
If a bunch of armed guys in masks show up refusing to identify themselves or provide warrants, what do you think most people would assume they are???
In a country with more guns than people, this seems line an insanely stupid tactic that guarantees preventable tragedies.
Warrants get rubber stamped on a regular basis, the argument that it’s suddenly too onerous a burden and they’re just allowed to ignore our constitutional rights is pretty fucking absurd too.
law enforcement isn’t known for it’s critical thinking
It’s the rubber stamping that is the problem. Sometimes they get a talking to when they get too rambunctious and kill a few innocent bystanders. Now there’s no rules to bind them, so have at er!
uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections
…That’s not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.
Journalists don’t need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don’t print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they’re lies and falsehoods. They didn’t find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they’re making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren’t going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it’s a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn’t do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn’t changed that.
Still waiting on those nuts to step up to what they said they were keeping guns for.
You can go exercise your rights too.
Learn to shoot, might not be long before they’re kicking in your door.
I’m not going to some El Salvadoran death camp. If I’m gonna get killed by my own government, I’m going down swinging. Maybe I’ll take a few of the bastards with me.
No no those guns were to make sure they don’t end up on the bottom.
Why?
Are you unarmed and regretting your anti gun political beliefs as you run head first into this brick wall of reality?
Your mistake is thinking that the media in the US employ journalists. They’re oligarch controlled propaganda machines.
Not great
Hey that 60 Minutes producer quit because he couldn’t run the show independently anymore, so apparently sometimes oligarchs didn’t have complete control yet
Any law, rule or regulation that violates the constitution is invalid. The Supreme Court has ruled on this in multiple cases. Unless Congress passes a constitutional amendment that eliminates the 4th amendment, the executive branch must abide by the law as it’s written. The executive branch has no authority to make, change or interpret law.
Edit: A lot of laws and constitutional amendments have been made since the 1798 Alien Enemies Act was passed. The 13th Amendment banned slavery (with a loophole) The 14th Amendment gave equal protection under the law among other things. The 1964 Civil Rights Act made it a crime to discriminate based on race and national origin, which pretty much destroys the Alien Enemies Act. No altering the enforcement of our laws based on where the person came from or what they look like.
Correct. At this point a few ICE agents need to be treated as armed intruders and dealt with.
We don’t do this in an armed society … it’s why we are armed.
It’s a bold move Cotton, let’s see how this test of the 2nd amendment plays out.
See you in El Salvador buddy.
the executive branch must abide by the law as it’s written
That’s adorable.
Arm yourselves.
Enter my home without a warrant or identifying yourself, and your gonna leave in a casket.
I’ve also explained to my family that we do not open the door to anyone, especially people who claim to be cops. Way too easy to claim it, then force their way in while your waiting for them to prove who they are.
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The way I see it, if ICE is trying to come into my home without a warrant, then they already intend for me to die. I’m a white natural born US citizen, but I’ve made my stance on kings in this country pretty clear, so a visit from the SS is a factor I have to be ready for. I’d rather die at home, taking a many of them with me as I can, then quietly allowing them to send me to a death camp, if I had to choose.
We don’t want to live here right now, but we don’t have the finances to leave. So instead, we’re going to protect our home, and continue to support and participate in the actions against tyranny that we can. Protests, pressure on other elected officials to resist as well, etc.
Edit: Besides, if evil comes to your country and knocks at your door, shouldn’t you fight it?
Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.
Silently supporting this… After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny… Well it’s freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been
Right fucking here. Notice they’re picking on people highly unlikely to fight back? Come for my brown, legal-migrant wife, see what happens.
You’re going to get into a firefight with federal cops with your wife around? Genuinely asking what the “find out” part is
Yes, I’m prepared to die. And that isn’t a knee-jerk macho reaction. I’ve put a great deal of thought into this.
Look, it’s easy for me to say, a middle-aged man who has lived life. Been a few times where I thought, “Shit, this may be it. Can’t say I have many regrets and this day is as fine as another other.” I understand that younger folks want to play out the odds, I would have felt the same in my 20s or 30s, maybe into my 40s.
But at some point you have to draw a moral line in the sand. Literally say, “I’ll die before I allow this.” I will not allow unidentified, warrantless, masked men into my home to kidnap my (legal alien) wife. I see no benefit in going quietly. After all, American cops have taught us by example, if they kick the door in, they are there to kill you. It’s the orge’s choice, die fast or slow. Begging and pleading only gets you killed slower.
I 100% understand what you mean and where you’re coming from. The idea that I could have a loved one ripped away from me by fascists and sent to a camp is horrifying. I understand wanting to die rather than let that happen.
I’m approaching this rationally, though. YOU may be prepared to die at a moment’s notice – but what about your wife? Has she consented to dying in a barrage of bullets when the gestapo comes a-knockin’? I think the last time I looked it up, something like 12 people have died at the El Salvadorian prison. This is ignoring the deplorable conditions and the disturbing abuses that happen of course. I think my/their odds are better there than bleeding out on the floor.
It seems to me that the option that would most allow me to see that loved one again would be to avoid dying in the first place or placing them in harm’s way.
if they kick the door in, they are there to kill you.
This isn’t quite true. You are in mortal danger absolutely, but that danger multiplies tenfold when you draw a weapon and fire. They are there for political purposes to deport people. There’s a monetary incentive in El Salvador to keep these political prisoners alive, too. If death squads begin roaming the streets, summarily executing people, then I will see the logic. Hell I’d take up arms.
I also think about the logistics of a firefight. Is your gun at the ready for when you hear a noise downstairs? Are you shooting into the dark? What if it’s the incompetent Sherriff’s office at the wrong house for a no-knock raid? What if they do knock? Where are you hiding? What happens after you’re shot? Let’s say you win the firefight – what then? Do you flee? If so, why not just flee in the first place to avoid the chance of death? What if you’re the only one that dies in the firefight and your wife is left alone? Is that better? What if just SHE dies? There is literally no way this goes down that works for me.
This is a scary time, and whatever plans I draw up will ensure the best chances of keeping my family alive. I hope you and yours are and stay safe.
What’s the alternative? Stay silent and let her disappear to the El Salvador death camp? Take a few of them with you.
Im willing to bet the odds she’ll die at the death camp are lower than in a close quarters gunfight with a bunch of dumbfucks firing away.
Feel free to go out in an unnecessary blaze of glory though. Very macho 👌
I’d do my best to make sure I could see my wife again
Have fun not seeing her no matter your best then.
Either die in a hail of gunfire or never see her again isn’t really the dilemma (yet). trump’s deportations are fucking horrific, but these prisons do not have a 100% death rate. I figure our odds are better fighting to get her out alive rather than a gunfight.
Y’all can keep the wild west fantasy. I’m being realistic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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disgusting low effort troll reply
I stand by the spirit of what I said but it was definitely more crass than intended. You probably wouldn’t snitch on her but you would just say you’d see if you could get visitation as they take her.
SRA, strapped at all times. Can’t do much with small numbers
My MIL went from being an anti-gun democrat to going with my partner and I for shooting lessons this weekend. It’s never publicized, but if you keep your head up, you can see the winds change.
Edit, because I realized I was unclear: This administration woke her up to the dangers of disarming the workers. She’s moved farther left.
Yeah I’m seeing people at the range becoming a lot more diverse and I’m really glad they’re getting the practice in and not just the firearm.
Right here.
Shoot 'em in the dick.
Even if they have full-coverage soft armor, and not just a plate carrier, that’s gonna drop 'em instantly. Can’t walk with a 9mm through your pelvis, and there are a lot or arteries going through there.
Also, I’m a certified basic pistol instructor; if any of y’all are looking for non-chuds to get some basic training from, look up the Liberal Gun Club, the Socialist Rifle Association (altho competency varies a lot from chapter to chapter), or Operation Blazing Sword.
What lists do feds put you on for joining those
No clue, since it doesn’t seem to stop you from getting NFA items approved.
Based on your instance, I’m going to have to assume you’re Canadian and thus not informed on the minuta of state level politics and how they vary state to state. Some of the 2a people love going balls deep on authoritarian cock not all of us.
We’re here.
A “memo”. A fucking memo. No, this is a violation of the Constitution. Fuck your memo.
