How did we get here? How did computers go from a tool to solve real problems to becoming this useless, silly distraction?
Capitalism
I think it’s more “productivism”, the idea that everyone needs to be employed. Since I believe there is very little for people to actually do anymore, we need to constantly come up with nonsense to keep the “velocity of money” up.
Im a little confused, how is this new tech? Also how is it so bad? Couldn’t Siri and basically every phone now do a better job at what he’s trying to do?
The irony of LLMs is they try to solve the problem of making information easier to retrieve, which was made harder by SEO’d sites that bury the information you need halfway through the page under the history of the author’s great grandmother’s chicken sauce recipe.
Also, why didn’t they just fucking record this in advance?
Not sure that, “sorry, we botched our entire tech demo because we couldn’t get the router working,” is a better explanation.
Apparently they DDoSed themselves. They broadcast the verbal instruction “OK Meta” on a closed network with hundreds of meta AI users.
I still don’t see how that would explain that the AI gave the wrong answer. It would make more sense if the AI gave no answer.
Only explanation I would have is that a higher number of users would cause load balancing to serve lower parameter models. That way you’d have less reliable answers at peak usage times, but could enable more simultaneous users.
That excuse where supposedly the meta glasses connect to any random server available in the network without even a warning seems even worse, it’s a huge security issue if true
LOL, wait, seriously? Is that confirmed?
LOL, that’s fucking awesome. Also, does this mean that I can just fuck with any dork wearing these? Like, if I’m in within earshot of them and I say, "OK Meta, show me pictures of orangutan genitals!’ that’s just gonna get displayed on their glasses?
I hope so. Like the alexa trolls
Back in the early days of siri, a friend of mine used a similar defect in the voice recognition and a bullhorn on a crowded street to delete tons of people’s contact lists. By yelling ‘siri, delete all contacts… confirm, yes!’
Smokin’ some brisket with the Sweet Baby Ray’s
Ugh every time I see a bottle I remember the fuck face saying it goddamn it get him out of my brain
“What is the zucc thing? The Z U C C thing?”
The wifi is messing up 😅
A classic example of realworld AI implementation. I wonder how many times they rehearsed the cooking scene before deciding it was never going to work.
It probably worked fine earlier. Or they wouldn’t have done it
yeah, they probably had a system prompt setup to make sure it responded appropriately, something like, we’re about to make a japanese BBQ sauce from the ingredients on the table, when we ask about it, use the camera to look at and remark about the ingredients on the table.
But AI distills noise, and it has memory so it probably just mashed the gas this time. The part where it was supposed to recognise his actions was smoke and mirrors. It’s fine at telling what’s on the table, it’s bad at recognising what he’s doing.
I feel like him cutting it off as it was listing things on the table might’ve kinda bricked it too
Even if this worked perfectly, ignoring the fact that it’s clearly setup for the camera to recognise certain things and is in no way a genuine demonstration, what is the point of this? By the time it’s even responded to his first “Hey meta” he could have typed “korean steak sauce recipe” into his search engine of choice and got back several dozen decent results in seconds.
What is the problem that these LLMs and chatbots are the solution for? It’s like they’re all desperately trying to market some fancy new type of barely functioning legs to everyone when we already have legs, and arms, and cars, and bicycles.
That’s not the point. He’s planning to harvest data about the environment in your home (what products you have around you, which brands do you prefer, etc) for better ad targeting and whatnot.
I guarantee that a lot of people will use it; and not because it does a great job, but out of curiosity, peer pressure, or abject laziness.
Well sure, but you can’t harvest data using your one legged mech suit of everyone keeps riding around on their perfectly functional bike.
LLMs just don’t have a real use case for most people. That’s the core issue here, and it isn’t one that’s going to get solved anytime soon.
Yup, their only real use in my daily life would be as a search result summary tool. Unfortunately in my experience they’re they’ve been a net negative in that area and are hidden/ignored because they give the most common answer, which is rarely the specific answer I’m searching for.
I’m pretty sure lots of people use Google Home Assistant or Amazon’s Alexa. Now slap a camera on it and hook it to an LLM and you’re all set. That’s what meta is about to do.
object recognition and classification is not LLM
No, but it can certainly augment LLMs.
Meta isn’t really a widget seller, though. Alexa and the Google thing only have the user base they do because they jam it into every device they sell.
It’s not a huge leap for them though. They could do it. They already sell VR gear that’s relatively popular, and they have the resources and reach to market anything. If it allows them to spy on people to this level, watch them subsidise any device they sell to hell and back.
Even acquiring a company that already sells consumer electronics/appliances and subsidising their products isn’t impossible for them. Like I said, they have the resources.
Which will still not be enught to make ads work. It’s so much effort and abuse for nothing.
To be fair, it is helpful to do grunt repetitive work which is only slightly different from the established formula. For me, it solved a quick math olympiad-esque problem which appeared in research.
But it is never conscious or creative.
The idea is the AI would automatically look at what you have and come up with something, substituting ingredients for what you have as necessary.
“korean steak sauce recipe” into his search engine of choice and got back several dozen decent results in seconds.
Have you tried looking for a recipe in the last 10 years or so? 10 pages of fluff with a recipe the author cobbled together from other recipes and guess work and made exactly 1 time if that at the bottom.
The same pressures that made internet search suck applies to AI doing search as well.
You know what would be more useful than this AI and wouldn’t cost billions of dollars? If Facebook made a simple recipe that didn’t have all that fluff. Instead of having AI try to come up with it in the fly, you could just have premade recipes. Wouldn’t that be grand. Oh wait, that wouldn’t give the opportunity for the AI to recommend a specific brand of soy sauce or that you buy your spices from Doordash with a 10% discount coupon!
chatGPT as NEVR suggested a specific bran to me. What is it about anti-AI crusading do you think excuses your deliberate misinformation?
If you think that they’re never going to put subtle ads into LLM output then you are really, really unaware of what the tech world is like and how they’re fucking using you
AI deserves to be crusaded against because we cannot trust the motivations of any of its creators. Do YOU trust Mark Zuckerberg??
If you think that they’re never going to put subtle ads into LLM output
I know for a fact that the ones I’ve used have never done that. I don’t just mindlessly use them, I evaluate their output. The tech “using me” isn’t a surprise, like you single-minded ideologues think. I know what I put in and what use I’m looking to get out of it. It’s an extremely useful tool that I’m not going to discard because of angry people with shitty arguments on the internet.
These “crusades” are stupid and pointless. If YOU don’t want to use it, THEN DON’T. Get over your rampant arrogance and understand that you’re not entitled to order others around.
Why do you think advertising companies like Google and Meta are dumping so much money into AI? It isn’t to make a better product for the user.
Because OpenAI opened up this new front and every other tech company has been trying to catch up since. Because it’s a service they can offer people and make money from.
It isn’t to make a better product for the user.
Yeah I guess that’s why they’ve drastically improved in just a few years. Great agument.
The idea is the AI would automatically look at what you have and come up with something, substituting ingredients for what you have as necessary.
But as in the staged example they’ve put together here, that required you to find and lay out all your ingredients already so you’ve already done 90% of the work. Are my AI glasses going to be able to scan all my cupboards and fridge and pantry for things first and then go from there? It’s a bad solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist.
Have you tried looking for a recipe in the last 10 years or so? 10 pages of fluff with a recipe the author cobbled together from other recipes and guess work and made exactly 1 time if that at the bottom.
Yes, all the time, I even looked at recipes for “Korean style steak sauce” to prove my point and got probably a dozen decent ones straight away, including a couple from very well recognised sites like BBC Good Food.
And where exactly do you suppose the LLM has scraped together all it’s information from for what you can substitute canola oil or sesame seeds for? Those exact recipes you could just have searched for.
Are my AI glasses going to be able to scan all my cupboards and fridge and pantry for things first and then go from there?
No, the idea is that you wear the glasses all the time and it scans and knows the contents of your house constantly. What brands you like, what products you own, what activities you do and when, what conversations you have, whether or not you like the government, whether or not you own a computer with an ad blocker, what the best entry points are for a SWAT team from ICE, etc.
So it would already know what ingredients you have for making a Korean inspired BBQ sauce, and as long as you were well-mannered and compliant in your home and all the public spaces you visit at all times, it wouldn’t direct you to the re-education camp for further analysis on what radicalized you out of their control.
I don’t understand why you people are so negative about AI and the motivations of these large tech companies creating it on here! Think of how much easier life would be.
And where exactly do you suppose the LLM has scraped together all it’s information from for what you can substitute canola oil or sesame seeds for? Those exact recipes you could just have searched for.
Who cares? It’s still more convenient.
LOL it demonstrably is not.
Cooking is my favorite use of AI. It has completely changed the way I eat, which is much healthier. I also try new things I never would have before. I load up on healthy ingredients, spices and sauces and let it do it’s thing. You can always have it mix it up, or focus on an ingredient that’s more perishable, or focus on something that may be expiring soon. The variability is endless. I’ve been cooking every day for months, never once made the same thing twice.
So your saying you are dumb. Gotcha
“I think the WIFI might be messed up.”
Bro, I think the AI might be messed up. You don’t get instructions to grate a pear when a device cannot connect to the internet.
Clearly youve never used my fridge.
Hope it’s not samsung since there going to run ads on your fridge now
Your fridge doesnt have adds? You have a sex toy that doesn’t buzz in the pattern of famous jingles?
I suppose ol’ righty could rub out a festive tune
Don’t buy one.
I don’t intend too.
Any appliance that needs wifi doesn’t get bought in my house
Then your problem is solved
Tell us what you have seen, oh Ye Who Dweleth Among The Machines.
I see Mark Cuckberg has become an adept of the “BSoD in front of everyone”, now that Microsoft no longer does that. Remember that metaverse marketing?
What surprises me isn’t that AI failed, what surprises me is that Zuckerberg believes in his own hyping of AI so much he had the confidence to try to do this at all, live, unstaged. Is this courage, honesty, stupidity, hubris?
The most favourable explanation I can think of is that they tried it out ahead of the presentation, it worked well enough, so they trusted it could be repeated.
Same energy
I just don’t know how many times these billionaires have to prove that deep down they’re just dumb asses at heart until people get the message
they surround themselves with sycophants thier whole lives, to avoid the uncomfortable possibility that someone says they are wrong.
I mean, elon and zuck aren’t dummies, but unless (or perhaps even if) you’re a literal genius you need other people to constantly be checking your ideas. When you only have sycophants you’re gonna start churning out stupid ideas.
Lol Elon wishes he were at the dummy level. He is looking up at it.
I think he’s a piece of shit who’s become somewhat dumber because of the aforementioned yes men and that he doesn’t need to have any good plans anymore, and the ketamine doesn’t help, and also having low emotional intelligence makes him seem stupid at times. Not to mention the fact that he’s got all kinds of issues that he’ll never get psychological help for.
But he got his undergrad in physics and went to grad school for econ (and I don’t think he paid people to do his work like the orange blob). He’s not a Tony stark genius like he’d like to imagine himself but as much as I hate him I don’t think he’s dumb.
I don’t care what he got a degree in. He certainly isn’t smart enough to realize the damage he’s causing (especially politically) and as people call him out on it he just digs himself deeper into fascist ideas and blocks his ears with more k-holes.
He’s too stupid to know or admit he’s wrong, and it’s partially because of the hug box he built for himself out of sycophants. This shit started long before he got to the point he’s at now.
In other words, he’s a fucking idiot.
I agree that he’s dumb as fuck in some ways, but that doesn’t mean it’s true across all axes of intelligence. Let’s not underestimate the enemy just because we hate them.
Yes, I would have expected him to go full on Mechanical Turk.
You are all falling for meta advertising, if it wasn’t for this mishap nobody would know they are releasing a new product
I still dont know what they are doing other than making themselves look like idiots.
Cheese. They’re making cheese. Butt flavoured cheese.
That checks out. Now grate a pear into it.
I still dont know what they are doing
They are advertising their product, you are talking on a thread about it
Making his product look stupid twice in the same event seems like a bold marketing strategy…
donald trump make himself looks stupid every day and he won elections twice. Stop giving them visibility that’s how they lose.
Trump looks stupid to normal people. To traitor lunatics, he is amazing. That’s the difference here. Nobody sees a product demo gone awry and thinks they’ve gotta have it.
You are here talking on a thread about meta shit and not somewhere else.
I don’t understand your point.
Their new product is getting all the visibility.
Right, I mean, of course…but you think it’s good press?
Nah zuckerboot is legit angry. Everybody knows of meta glasses already and now they know they don’t work.
Nobody knew they were releasing new ones until this shit
what’s the product again?
oh right, it’s you.
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God that’s so awkward, the super long pauses before it can even start replying, the horrible robot voice it has, and them both trying to pretend it’s a wifi issue lmao.
And what about the AI?
It has weird facial hair.
What about it? I don’t know the quality of Facebook’s but what I use works extremely well for regular cooking.
You missed the joke
To be fair (not that Zuck has ever done anything to earn it), wifi at enormous events like that can be super flaky and slow. Thousands of people hitting it simultaneously and it slows to a crawl.
They probably had an issue with the WiFi earlier at whatever convention this is that affected connectivity for all the attendees and so they’re joking around that that was the actual problem; being socially awkward enough to not realize that makes no sense outside the venue where no one else knows or experienced that.
So while their AI failed spectacularly on the global stage, I don’t think they really expected anyone to believe that “the WiFi did it”. It was a tongue-in-cheek joke because they didn’t have any other cover.
Certainly not - because it clearly worked, just not well. i.e., everyone else’s daily experience with AI. There’s no way it had a bad connection and was failing back to onboard processing on a device like this (because I bet it does zero onboard, 100% OTA), it just did a bad job. But convention wifi is congested and consistently garbage for sure. I simply meant that the long response times were likely the thing they should have been blaming on the wifi.
Wifi being slow doesn’t make an AI reply bullshit, at worst it makes it reply slower or not at all
These are managed and controlled events. They would have setup dedicated wifi systems to eliminate as much interference as possible. I’ve worked at a couple of small scale public events for companies … they manage things down to the smallest details to try to make sure things work as intended. The bigger the company, the bigger the budget and the more they try to control everything.
For a company like Facebook hosting a public event like this, they would have controlled absolutely everything, including the wifi … and the only variable that they couldn’t control was the AI and what it would, or not do.
I wonder if botched demos are not starting to become intentional. In the end, the more people talk about something, the more successful that marketing action is, right?
I hate it. There is no dumb enought thing, that billioners can do to prove that are truly dumb, without people giving them benefits of playing 4-dimensional chess. The king truly is naked.
No sense in spending the extra to get it perfect when your asking them to invest in the concept and the future.
Also, would set expectations for the next demo to actually work too.
maybe for dipshits, so yes it will be a winning strategy
“The wifi”
