TL;DR

  • Efforts like Graphene OS face increasing pressure from apps that refuse to run on non-standard Android.
  • The custom ROM project characterizes Google’s approach to device attestation as incomplete and flawed.
  • Graphene OS is prepared to take legal action if Google won’t let it pass Play Integrity checks.
  • @towerful
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    351 month ago

    The only reason I stopped using grapheneOS was because Google contactless payment didn’t work.
    Loved everything else about graphene tho

    • @[email protected]
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      -230 days ago

      I’m sure Google contactless payment works really well when the phone is dead. Or you drop your phone in a toilet or off a bridge. It’s far easier to loose a phone than a card in a wallet in your pocket. If you lose your phone, you also lose access to all your money.

      • Markus Sugarhill
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        930 days ago

        Not a fan of google pay, but I gotta say, I lost way more wallets than phones in my life it’s about a 3 to 0 ratio (not counting purses I have lost before owning a phone.

      • @towerful
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        530 days ago

        I also carry a wallet? Cause, yknow, ID and stuff.

        Phone is just way more convenient. Especially since I don’t have a limit on its contactless amount. Whereas with my card, I would have to chip&pin for anything over £40

    • @[email protected]
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      -330 days ago

      I’ve never used contactless on my phone, I already had a contactless debit card. Why are you, and others, using their phones to pay?

      • @[email protected]
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        2130 days ago

        Why carry a contact less card when you can pay with your phone? Have you given it a try? I find myself without a card in lots of situations. Paying by phone is incredibly convenient. Lot harder to lose than a card too.

        • @[email protected]
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          330 days ago

          Yes, it has an upper limit though as I discovered after cycling to the garage to pick up my car with just my phone. Triple cycling joy that day 🙄

          • @[email protected]
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            230 days ago

            Yes this depends on the linked card, the software you are using and sometimes vendor limits. Many banks have a cardless withdrawal from atm option as a backup if there happens to be atm nearby. These can have pretty high limits. There are also card generating apps like cash app where you create a cc number on the fly. In a pinch most vendors can easily split the cost of something across different cards if one is maxing out.

        • @[email protected]
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          130 days ago

          A contactless card barely takes up any space. It’s not particularly easier to lose either. I’ve never lost my card; I just keep it in my wallet, in my pocket, just like my phone is in my pocket.

          • @[email protected]
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            1930 days ago

            You know what takes up less space? Software on the phone that I’m already carrying.

            There have also been occasions where I forget my wallet but still have my phone to pay with.

          • @[email protected]
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            930 days ago

            Easy with one card, but it’s a different story when you have multiple cards. Transit pass, loyalty cards from grocery stores for discounts, credit cards for cash back rewards.

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          29 days ago

          I’d still carry my debit card if I used phone, just in case I lose one while out and about. I think I’d be more likely to notice my phone is missing but more likely to lose the phone in the first place.

          I’ve never tried it in part because I don’t trust my phone with it’s proprietary software, and I suspect there may be no open source apps to pay with.

      • @[email protected]
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        930 days ago

        Lazy.

        Just plain lazy.

        I already have my phone in hand in shops - shopping lists, reminders or even plain taking my mind off the shelves so I won’t buy unnecessary shit. Then I get to checkout and…my phone is already in hand. Just boop it and done. No need to dig out wallet from pocket and then dig out card from wallet.

      • @GetOffMyLan
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        930 days ago

        There’s no need to carry your cards if you already have your phone.

        Also, unlike your wallet, if you lose it you can track it.

        • @[email protected]
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          330 days ago

          Do you not carry cash? My cards go with my cash, which I would carry anyway even if I could pay by phone just in case I’m out and lose one.

          • @GetOffMyLan
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            330 days ago

            No I don’t. It’s all contactless here.

      • @[email protected]
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        430 days ago

        I’ve never used a contactless debit card. I already had a chip and pin debit card. Why are you, and others, using your contactless card to pay?

        • @[email protected]
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          30 days ago

          My Chip+PIN card has an RFID chip. Standard in Germany. Why would I tell, much less trust, google with my banking. Why would I let them skim data and/or a percentage off the transaction. Why would I choose a system with spotty acceptance, whereas I can use my girocard everywhere. It also doubles as 2nd factor for online banking.

        • @[email protected]
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          230 days ago

          I didn’t choose, my bank gave me a contactless card when my last chip and pin card expired (the card still has chip and pin which I use when contactless fails).

      • @[email protected]
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        430 days ago

        the app hides the real numbers for the credit card and gives the POS a mock id to make the purchase. it’s harder to clone. also you need to unlock the phone for it to work it’s an extra layer of protection

        • @[email protected]
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          29 days ago

          Giving a mock card sounds useful. I’ve looked into that for paying online but I couldn’t find an open source way to do it.

      • @[email protected]
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        330 days ago

        I can create a virtual card before every trip, use it via my phone and then cancel it after the trip, never worrying if my card got skimmed anywhere for one.

        • @[email protected]
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          330 days ago

          when you pay using the virtual wallet it automatically makes a mock id to the POS … at least in my country it does

          • @[email protected]
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            129 days ago

            Ehhh I’m not sure how I got skimmed. Better safe than sorry now, a deleted card is pretty foolproof

        • @[email protected]
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          130 days ago

          For some fucking reason there is zero option for this type of secure virtual card in my country. And I hate it. A friend got skimmed for over $1200 a couple months ago.

      • @towerful
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        230 days ago

        I find it super convenient.
        Also, it doesn’t have a limit. Pretty sure I bought my last car with contactless on my phone, but that was years ago.