Also outs your report publicly, nice !
And Lemmy has an issue with it’s backend implementation which sometimes causes multiple copies of a comment being posted without the posters knowledge.
It then gets flagged as spam and the poster banned. Ask me how I know.
how do you know?
I searched for the issue when it happened to me and saw a bug report for it with the Lemmy devs confirming.
how do you know?
how do you know?
As someone who implement a Lemmy client it might be a client side problem. If the server is struggling you will time out when sending the comment. If the client side has any sort of retry logic it will send the comment again. This can cause the comment to be posted multiple times. There might be a bug on the server as well but I know for sure it can be caused by the client.
It’s what you are describing, and it’s not a client problem. It’s impossible for a client to solve. You can’t tell whether a timed out request succeeded or not.
Idempotent network requests are a standard feature of many APIs - sending the same request multiple times should result in only one action being performed, but Lemmy doesn’t support them yet.
So yes, it’s “caused” by retries, but the bug is that the backend doesn’t properly support retries. Clients don’t do anything wrong.
It could/should be handled by the server but it’s technically possible for the client to make due without it. You would need to handle it very carefully. For instance on timeouts, you can issue a get request to see if the comment posted. If it did then you do not issue another post.
Sure, that would work, but it’s a hacky solution, and involves needing to send more requests in a scenario where requests are already unreliable.
They should do what Reddit does and by default make a 5 second rate limit of sending posts and comments, the first one gets accepted, the next ones get rejected within the 5 second ratelimit.
Another popular solution I see is to have the client generate a UUID when posting. Then the server can very easily tell if a request is a duplicate.
I’ve seen this concept called idempotency tokens. I thought it was common but a quick search didn’t find any articles on it so maybe the name is not that common.
Nonce, maybe?
Nonce is the opposite. It’s never supposed to be used more than once, right?
Yeah, that’s the proper fix.
It doesn’t solve the problem of your comment request timing out after waiting 30 seconds in a spotty mobile connection. Now that it timed out, you don’t know if it was actually posted or not. A proper API would not post duplicate comments in response to retries of a request that already succeeded (without the client knowing).
That’s a good point, I like @[email protected] solution better. Make the request have it’s own identifier and if one goes through disregard the rest.
how do you know?
I did have this happen a few times early on, about a year ago, but haven’t seen it in a while. I’m hoping they fixed some of those bugs.
I’ve has it happen randomly but not recently
Well shit. At the same time the ban hammer seems a bit easy both ways :') Like you can at least look at the poster’s history…
It was reverted when I messaged the mod that banned me, but obviously not a great situation.
CLM - sounds like @[email protected] needs to understand the tools a bit more given how active they are.
FlyingSquid needs to be booted from everything they mod.
FlyingSquid is a pathetic human being, who seems to have little else in their life than banning anyone they disagree with. So, just a reddit mod. Question is, why would Lemmy have a chance to grow if it insists on having the same shitty structure as reddit, only with a fraction of a fraction of content that’s available on reddit.
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This is so mask-off it makes me question if you even own a mask in the first place.
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Turns out I’ve blocked this user already. Are they a mod?
Apparently so? They’re terminally online so it’s disappointing they don’t understand Lemmy better. Had it been almost any other user I wouldn’t have recognized the name at all.
They’re terminally online
It’s funny you say that. I have them tagged exactly as that after some comment thread they were in. Since I tagged them, it’s unbelievable how often posts and comments from them show up in my feed
Turns out me too, seems like they’re just a shit person.
Is that person a mod? I blocked them and my lemmy experience has been way better.
Same. Literally the only person I’ve blocked. I also made sure to leave every community they mod. Certainly a vibe I could do without.
This is exactly what I did when I saw them abuse their powers.
The only way to vote on bad mods is not to use their communities where they have power
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looks like you made nine hundred comments in a year. i can scroll past that. but either the counter is broken or flying squid has managed over fifty thousand
That 50k number may be accurate. I see them comment everywhere. They honestly may be one of the most active users on Lemmy.
I think PicardManeuver is more active, at least for posting fun things.
It’s nice to have our own GallowBoob. Who is going to be our very own Unidan
PTB, (or maybe just “clueless bastard”?): Ye publicly outing your report because they don’t understand lemmy is pretty bad.
PTB, publicly outing reports and trying to intimidate them is not cool, if you want to discuss someone’s reports with them, do it in their DMs.
Also here’s a tip for any admin or mod wishing to discuss the report with someone. Quote the report you’re addressing. I can’t see my own reports, so if an admin or mod wanted to discuss the last reports I made, it’s possible I would have to think really hard to remember what he was talking about, or just flat out not remember. Because I do make a lot of reports, unfortunately, as there is a lot of problematic content and users out there.
Edit: I did make an issue in the Lemmy GitHub requesting this feature, so if you agree that this could be useful I suggest you go express the desire for such a feature over there. I included being able to edit and delete reports, but if that’s too much at least the ability to read my own reports I’ve sent.
Example of a DM that a Mod or admin could use to address reports with someone
Text from report
(can include multiple reports here with gaps between them as needed)
[content of their message addressing the report to the user]
Silence! You dare question a mod of my abilities? Banned!
You jest, but many mods do actually have this mindset. It’s unreal
Removed, civility.
Removed, rule 7
“What the hell, why was my comment removed?”
*Looks up rule 7*
“Be nice”
In my experience, mods in general have gotten extremely bad. Lemmy, reddit, basically all social media is being moderated without the least amount of professionality, standard or competency.
That’s because professionality, standard and competency take time to foster and cost a lot to maintain.
And usually get paid nothing.
unfortunately so :/
True.
Are we supposed to be elite professionals on our salaries of $0.00?
Yes. If you can’t be professionell and have standards, don’t do it.
Then YOU should do it! They provide a free service that you use, yeah some mods suck ass, or most whatever, but they have to ACTUALLY monitor some times a bunch of instances. Idk if its still an issue but imagine all the child porn and other SUPER hateful shit that has to be deleted with haste.
I dont mind squid, yeah he kinda seems like a dick some times, but we benefit from them being constantly online. So yeah they might have been a dick, whats the next move? Try to remove them where some other dickwad will just take their place, could be better but for mods its always going to be worse when a new mod gets all power tripping on people.
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You dare make demands of me? Banned!
The good thing is that on the fediverse, you can improve this situation. Either go to an instance that keeps a watchful eye on power tripping mods and ensure mods are fair, or start your own instance to become that.
you’ll still get filtered by those mods on other instances and the amount of visibility your comment has will go down. lemmy has already gotten fragmentation problems like this for similar reasons IMO
But if those mods are bad and your mods are good, then people will over time go to your instance instead. You can’t control visibility of your stuff on another instance. It wouldn’t be decentralized if you could. Other instances and users can always choose to block you or whatever.
What you call “fragmentation” is really just decentralization and it’s the whole point of the fediverse.
people will over time go to your instance instead
what instance? never heard of it.
The instance that I mentioned in my first comment, the one with a watchful eye on moderators. It is not a concrete instance, I am talking about an example.
there’s no feedback mechanism that will result in the promotion of instances with better moderation
the federation system is inherently unstable - there’s a positive feedback loop where the instance with the most users attracts the most new users. new users have no to way to gauge the quality of moderation of an instance, and neither do disgruntled current users. additionally, members of smaller instances are less visible, which is an incentive to join a larger instance.
“what instance?” is a rhetorical question, and the only possible answer is “never heard of it.” because there is no means by which a user could have become aware of other instances, regardless of the quality of those other instance’s moderation
Threads like this usually get quite viral
Wasnt there already an instance that died because of lack of moderation?
I couldnt find the instance name, but i could find posts from people complaining about the instance and it being defederated from lemmy.world
there’s no feedback mechanism that will result in the promotion of instances with better moderation
I think that’s very narrow-minded. There definitely is a feedback mechanism, and it’s called word of mouth. Same feedback mechanism used for lots of things. If you don’t like your instance and you hear of a better one, you can switch. You could even imagine users writing reviews for their instances some place so people have an idea of where to go, although such a review aggregator does not exist right now to my knowledge.
new users have no to way to gauge the quality of moderation of an instance, and neither do disgruntled current users
New users can gauge based on what they see, but ultimately it doesn’t matter much. New users should just pick any instance that looks okay to them and they can always switch later if they feel they discover a better choice. Disgruntled current users can switch to a better instance or create their own. If you ask me, there is definitely a feedback mechanism in that sense.
It is true that “big bad” instances may be more visible than “small good” instances, but I think that is only a temporary thing that will get better with time. Good places will keep their users while bad places will slowly lose them to good places, but that doesn’t happen instantaneously.
To me, it seems no one qualified wants to do it. It’s annoying, unpaid work.
Someone doesn’t remember the times of apeshit insane IRC and forum mods
Honestly I think they’re worse on Lemmy then they were on Reddit
Squid can be a little quirky like that sometimes.
Sometimes? They are the only person I have ever blocked in all of my years on both reddit or lemmy. Such an odd combination of self importance, rage, entitlement and ego.
I’d almost forgotten about them until they showed up in a screenshot for being exactly how I remember.
quirky
*holds up ban spork*
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Lemmy.World is the most Reddit of Lemmies.
Well, among the ones that anyone federates with. exploding-heads is still way more reddit than world is.
*Was, they shut down a while back and largely moved to Nostr, but another instance, hilariouschaos, took their place, they’re not as aggressive as EH was but they still have many of the same users and ideals as EH did back then.
They shut down? Good.
Yeah, though I’m not sure if hilariouschaos is much better. They have limited whitelist-only federation so they are at least self-limiting in their reach, and many servers have recognized them as an EH clone so have defederated, this one (dbzer0) being one of them.
They allow dis- & misinformation on a news community and threaten you when you report even the most obvious Tankie propaganda, which is why I blocked it. Not the only dumb take I’ve seen from them.
I’ve been threatened/banned for calling out propaganda too
You should reach out to lemmy.world’s admins about the situation, explain the problem to them and they might be able to help with it. I’d recommend doing the same thing any time an issue comes up around this particular mod. Eventually they’ll get enough complaints and he’ll be given the boot from those communities by the administration.
This is an idea most people will agree with, but few if any will actually do.
Can we all actually do this? I don’t think they should be banned, but maybe ask that they shouldn’t be a mod.
I don’t really think people should be banned for it unless it’s something awful they are doing, like using their community to spread hate and banning people who criticize or try to stop them. However I don’t think the fear of getting them banned should stand in the way of reporting their wrongful behavior to the admins. They need to know about this, and if they choose to ban the guy, that’s their decision. The best thing is that they deal with the problem and stop it from continuing to happen.
The called out mod specifically is the worst culprit. I guarantee if their mod privileges were revoked 85% of the bad rep .world gets would vanish.
.world has a bad rep?
Yeah, but I’m not convinced it’s anyone in particular to blame. I think it’s mostly because it’s the biggest instance. That’s just my take. I don’t necessarily think the folks you’re responding to would agree.
I think a lot of instances have a bad rep with users of at least one instance just because so many instances are ideologically similar.
That’s what I believed it to be. Still better than .ml which is where I was before.
it’s where most people flocked to during Da Great Reddit Exodus, so there’s a lot of latent redditor behavior there. Anecdotally, my Lemmy experience has gotten significantly better after I started blocking every .world channel on sight.
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If you think there’s no photo album with photos of your naked kiddy ass then you may just be too young for photo albums.
I’m sure many people who are survivors of natural disasters like fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, and the like, as well as unnatural disasters like wars have lost their photos and indeed most of their childhood belongings.
And what the fuck does that have to do with parents doing nude photographs of their kids for completely non sexual reasons?
What do you mean what the fuck does it have to do with the situation, you made a broad general statement about how people who don’t have photo albums or not thinking they have them must having been “too young for photo albums”. I pointed out that it’s wrong, and that there are many older people who for one reason or another do not have their photo albums anymore.
Actually if anything it’s probably more likely that younger people will still retain their photographs after things like this with Cloud storage, and water resistant phones photos are more likely to survive things like that in this day and age. As well as, well, just normal messyness of life that causes things to get lost or broken randomly.
Here’s your original one in case you decide to delete it later:
If you think there’s no photo album with photos of your naked kiddy ass then you may just be too young for photo albums.
I get your point, but I think most people would interpret the statement as “never had photos in an album” rather than “don’t have photos on an album”.
I guess that’s fair, but he didn’t say it clearly, he said “think there’s no photo album with photos” which might imply that there never was one, but on the surface it just says that there isn’t one. And there could be an absence of one for many reasons.
I pointed out that it’s wrong, and that there are many older people who for one reason or another do not have their photo albums anymore.
Dude, you very obviously completely missed the point of the topic at hand because that’s absolutely not relevant. lol
Or maybe no daddy?
Oh honey…
That really doesn’t come accross in your favour… You might think it does because of how the votes look, but it’s because all the normal people left and only the weird people in your little bubble were left stomping on one normal guy with normal opinions for hours. The votes don’t mean you were right, just means you were the only ones left.
It does show that FlyingSquid doesn’t know to disengage fast when arguing with a dumbass - a skill that moderators should have IMO.
Yes, I do agree he for sure isn’t perfect, no objections there. But I guess I was never expecting perfection in a human. As long as he keeps learning from his mistakes and doesn’t actually do anything that he “almost” did, I don’t see it as a problem yet.
Oh yeah. Definitely agree. I only found this post while browsing all, and wanted to share this since it was something that has come across my mind recently. He’s doing more for Lemmy than me, that’s for sure.
Even if most people do it (judging by your downvotes) I think showing someone’s pictures without their consent is not ok. At all. Even worse if the purpose is ‘torture’ and ‘embarrass’ them. I don’t care if it’s their kids, children are people and deserve to be respected as such, clothed or naked.
Ah yep, that discussion.
I’m so glad I finally made an account so I can block that particular reddit-type user. Might have to bounce instances based on how this goes.
Why is it whenever I notice a mod, or see anyone complain about a mod, it’s always the exact same mod?
Are all Lemmy mods chill except this singular prickly tranch?
Updoot for prickly tranch
What was their response?
No response :x
PTB. Squid is a prolific poster, but seems to take things personally very quickly.
If you’re going to abuse your powers, you should do so by abstract principles, like whether or not a commenter likes pineapple on their pizza, not how they react towards you!
All Mods Are Bastards
Wow, that’s a broad generalization
Lots of people are saying it
