Things didn’t end well for the last guy…

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    And they ripped out funding for pediatric cancer research. $250 million… or around 0.05% of president Musk’s net worth. Why do repubs hate kids with cancer?

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      They want to strip away everything that reduces infant mortality, so that people start having more kids again since so many of them will die young.

      Then later they give it back, and since they already took away the right to abortion… Boom, population explosion and a bunch of poor kids are born to later be exploited in factories and wars.

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          If you don’t want to have an abortion, no one’s ever been forcing you.

          Why you think it’s appropriate to force others is weird.

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              Nah, you don’t really believe that.

              You already know that in an abortion, no one is typically killing the fetus (which btw is less of a human than a chicken egg is human), they’re just removing it from the body it’s parasiting off of. Not the mother’s fault it can’t survive, and I’m pretty sure you’re for curing cancer or tape worm which also contain more human dna than a fetus does.

              Besides, in many cases the fetus is already dead or terminal anyway.

              And even if this was codified under law as murder, it wouldn’t be the mother doing it, but a licensed professional, much like police, soldiers or wardens.

              Thats’s a lot of mental gymnastics to insert yourself into someone’s health care and sex life. That’s kind of weird…

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                Republicans have spread this myth that women use abortion like birth control. Just like the myth of the black welfare Queen, spitting out kids just to draw a check. It’s all bullshit and they know it, they just hate poor people.

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                tape worm which also contain more human dna than a fetus does.

                Not that im disagreeing with your overall argument, but a fetus has 100% human dna… otherwise it wouldnt develop into a human lol

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                  A fetus does indeed have 100% human DNA, but a tape worm has about 70% human DNA.

                  An 8 week fetus is about 20 g, an 8 week tape worm can become up to 30 ft, weighing several pounds. 70 % of a pound is more than 20 g.

                  And with the new slave mother laws, the fetus isn’t more than a handful of grams at the cut off date, making it all the more poignant.

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              Okay, I don’t agree with the emotional concept that a fetus is a person innately, but I can at least understand where that type of thinking comes from. Claiming it’s a fully-developed human is just demonstrably wrong. You’re entitled to your opinion, but feelings aren’t facts. I sincerely hope this is a sad attempt at trolling.

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                  Claims science, states no actual science, strawmans up an example that isn’t related to the original in any way. claims gaslighting with no actual reference to gaslighting behavior.

                  No slurs or personal attacks, but i feel like you’re going for the subtle approach so you probably don’t need those right now.

                  Hmm, so this is up there, i feel like it’s missing something though, can’t quite place what, but i’ll keep an eye on the replies in case i spot it.

                  Anyway, 8/10 shitpost, good job, no notes.


                  While i have you, it sounds like you are a person familiar with how science works and will give me an actual answer rather than deflect.

                  What is the scientific definition of “parasite”?

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                  What is your solution for fetal anomalies that will inevitably lead to stillbirth or death in the first few hours of life? What is your solution for pregnancy abnormalities that put the life of the mother at serious risk? What is your solution for women who are desperately trying to escape monstrously abusive relationships that got pregnant from marital rape or coercion?

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                  Do you believe people who are unresponsive and comatose for a long period should be kept alive despite the families wishes?

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              A fetus is objectively not fully formed. What do you think its doing in the womb for all those months, just hanging out? When abortions happen its just a bundle of cells that cant think, breathe, or live on its own.

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                  Cancer

                  Cancer is a bunch of cells. By your logic it is immoral to treat cancer. Cancer has human DNA. Cancer can also live independent of the human that spawned it.

                  We should stop killing cancer too.

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                  A coma involves brain activity in a highly developed nervous system, often with a high chance of recovery.

                  A fetus has a tiny, undeveloped nervous system, with no higher brain functions.

                  These are not at all equivalent. One is a person, and the other is not.

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              Then how come they can’t survive without leeching off a host? 80% of pregnancies spontaneously end in miscarriage. That doesn’t sound viable or fully developed to me. If it could survive outside the womb, you’d have a point. But it can’t, so you don’t.

              You know who was actually fully-developed? All the women who have died due to pregnancy complications thanks to draconic laws that take away their rights over their own bodies. I’ll hold you responsible for murdering them.

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                You clearly don’t know biology do you & are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ? BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)

                • American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. (2020)
                • National Center for Health Statistics. (1999). Trends in Pregnancies and Pregnancy Rates.
                • JAMA Network. (2020)

                I hold you responsible for the billions of deaths of unborn children, because of your stupidity & selfishness & inhumanity

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                  BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)

                  Sure, if you only measure after 6 weeks.

                  For women of reproductive age, losses between implantation and clinical recognition are approximately 10–25%. Loss from implantation to birth is approximately one third [39, 46, 48, 49].

                  A recent re-analysis [39] of data from three studies [46, 48, 49] concluded that, in normal healthy women, 10–40% is a plausible range for pre-implantation embryo loss and overall pregnancy loss from fertilisation to birth is approximately 40–60%.

                  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5443340/

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                  You clearly don’t know biology do you

                  Says the person claiming a fetus is a fully developed human.

                  are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ?

                  Millions of people live in the jungles of the world. How many fetuses live outside wombs? Oh right, none. Because there’s a difference between having the skills to survive in the jungle, and being a fully developed human capable of independent biological survival.

                  Have you ensured that every single one of your gametes resulted in a child? Then you’re a genocidal hypocrite.

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              No. A fully developed human would be post-pubescent. Until then you are either a fetus incapable of living outside your mother’s body, or a baby capable of independent life with some sort of care.

              Fetuses are NOT babies. Stop being obtuse.

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          I assume you’ve adopted multiple unwanted children in the foster system including severely disabled ones, right?

          Since you think that “unborn children” shouldn’t be “killed,” you’ve got to be a major part of the solution.

          Tell me about your severely disabled kids you adopted from the foster system.

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              Oh fuck right off with that bullshit. Abortions are a medical procedure. Women have died because they can’t get them. Or should we just let fetuses that die in utero rot inside the womb and kill the poor woman who lost her baby through no fault of her own?

              That’s just one example off the top of my head.

              Nobody wants to or is killing children. That’s some hyperbolic bullshit.

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                  Fair, but I would suggest that married couples who want more than one child should be allowed to choose to have as much sex as they want until they’re ready to have that next child. Of course, anti-abortion crusaders never think about the fact that it isn’t just those dirty sluts getting abortions. Married people have sex too.

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      Whoa whoa whoa you can’t go around funding kids healthcare. Then they are gonna become adult voters who expect more free healthcare.

      You want kids who get to adulthood on the skin of their teeth, or kids who don’t get to adulthood at all. There’s no in-between.

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    Or just don’t show up to work, and start looking for another job.

    What they gonna do? Shoot you for “being sick and unable to report to work”?

    Message for Government Employees: If you work a government job, DON’T GO TO WORK WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN. Fuck that BS, don’t let the government treat you like a slave. Calling out from work is not a crime (even if it is, fuck them anyways).

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      All TSA agents should strike at the same time those days, wearing green hats and fake mustaches

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          Yeah lol, people would probably have a great travel experience and want to make it permanent. Strikes only work if your job is important to someone, otherwise they work against you

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            I’m gonna guess that the airports will shut down in the US if TSA is not available. They’re not just gonna let people through without any security in place.

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              If the choice is profits or security for customers…

              But there’s probably some more systems that prevent it

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              They let people through unscreened on holidays. I let them buy me out of my ticket on a long weekend once and flying the next day was so nice. A few dozen of us were just waved past security and right to the gate. Just had to show we had a boarding pass. This was at a big Texas airport too.

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            They are legally not allowed to strike. They would be fired immediately for dereliction of their position. It’s part of the negotiation when they take a federal job.

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              If the government is going to be derelect in its duty to pay its workers, then workers can do the same to their positions.

              Though I would be looking for another job and quit without notice when one is found in this case. Fuck Musk. No one voted for his ass.

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        Meh, I’m sure their local police force, who are toally well trained and organized and not filled with overweight people, would gladly accept them, just look at what the average cop looks like. These TSA agents will fit right in.

        (Not that I want there to be more cops, but sadly thats where these people will end up. 🤷‍♂️)

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        I have a friend who is a TSA agent and he’s a lovely and intelligent person. He took the job because it was the best thing available to him and federal jobs (usually) come with very good benefits and health coverage. He hadn’t seen a doctor for about 6 years before he got the job because his insurance and PTO was so terrible at his last job.

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        If my job ever skips a check I’m not coming back until I get it. Fuck that. Everyone not getting paid because of this should stay home and let chaos happen. Cause some real consequences to Musk and the rest of them.

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      Go to work and do nothing but look for a new job on your phone. What are they gonna do, not pay you anymore?

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      He’s legally a US citizen by way of his mother.

      Nevermind how much “god damn those evil foreigners are at it again” rhetoric makes me gag. Peter Thiel and Marc Andressen are fully American and they suck just as hard. If anything, the problem isn’t Elon, its Stanford University and the endless line of factory produced insane far-right techbro degenerates that it rolls out which gave us our modern hellscape.

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      Because people need to eat.

      Also, some air travel is essential.

      Or do you want to stop medical couriers from delivering organs for transplant?

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        Lol the idea of a medical courier waiting in line at the TSA rummaging through their organ containers because they flagged it sus in the x-ray machine.

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        Are you trying to imply…that the medical couriers …are transporting …food?

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            Yeah but implying that medical couriers are selling their payloads on a cannibal black market is juicer than a fat mans liver.

            With some fava beans.

            And a nice chianti.

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        They are only doing it in the first place because they need to eat

        Or do you want to stop medical couriers from delivering organs for transplant?

        The rich would give in long before this and have the mattered settled in an emergency meeting because they have places they want to go

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              Yes, but private airports, or airstrips, exist and probably have little to no TSA involvement. Some guy nearby lands his helicopter in his back yard.

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          You one comment ago:

          Doesn’t it make more sense to shutdown US airports?

          You this comment:

          The rich would give in long before this and have the mattered

          Which is it? Does it make sense to shut down U.S. airports or is that something that wouldn’t happen?

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            How are you confused on that

            If they were to announce airport shutdowns then the budget would be passed to prevent that

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              You didn’t say announce a shutdown. If you meant announce it and not actually do it, you sure weren’t clear about that since you said it would make sense to do it.

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    How bout they just dont show up? The TSA is a fraudulent agency anyway. Pre-9/11 security worked just fine.

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      And if someone is going to hijack a plane to pilot it into a building, i doubt their mission would depend on a large tube of toothpaste and a nail clipper

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        “Heh heh heh, finally, I can sneak enough explosive toothpaste into the plane!”

        That’s the terrorists right now, how do you feel now, huh? It’s not a joke. TSA is extremely serious. 😤

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    I get it, but having people feel bad for the TSA of all organizations is a tall order. Why not pick a less controversial gov agency effected like say the National Parks and Museums?

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      Probably because parks and museums usually just close whenever this happens, so they’re not working without pay. They’re just on an indefinite suspension

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        And yet I can feel for them more, If the TSA was gone tomorrow I could not care.

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          The way it setup it will not mean the removal of the stupid safety theater, it will mean the closing of the airport.

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            I know, and that makes me even less inclined to have sympathy for the TSA as a whole. I know I should feel bad for the people working at the TSA, but I can’t.

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      I can’t imagine coming in to work if I’m not being paid on time. Indeed, if there’s even a whiff of maybe I won’t get paid, I’m not coming in unless I’m paid in advance.

      Every government worker that is told they’re not getting paid should do that. Money in my account now, before I come in to work.

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        Love this attitude. The harsh reality is, not everyone is a kid working at maccas and they have families to feed and bills to pay.

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          Not much difference toward feeding family or paying bills if you’re not getting paid. Better to take the time off and find a new job.

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            True, but isn’t this just late payment? It’s still absolutely abhorrent and I’d be fucking furious, I’m just saying a lot of people aren’t in a position to just leave. Getting paid a week late is better than losing your pay for 2-4 weeks while you look for another job.

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              There is no guarantee that they will get paid. For that to happen, congress will have to pass a spending bill that not only authorized future spending but also explicitly gives back pay for the time they were working without paying after the shutdown.

              So far this has always happened, but I do remember some noises about not doing it around the last shutdown.

              So especially after those comments last time, there is no certainty that if you come in to work for the government during a shutdown you will be paid.

              There’s a reason the country lost credit rating, and it’s because people are slightly less confident that it will actually pay its debts, including simple payroll.

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        The more I think about it, the more I can see this is a really good example of Hanlon’s razor.

        If they were evil, they would not tell you they’re not paying you. They simply wouldn’t pay you. They’re actually stupid because they told people they expect them to work without getting paid.

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      Ok, but they can’t: for TSA not working is their job description. They work by not working.

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    TSA agents are ineffectual on the best of days, but without pay? Between that and the amazing production quality at Boeing I’m quite content to not fly anywhere.

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    President Musk flexing his muscles even before puppet inauguration.

    One thing I wondered is what would happen if Putin and Musk disagree at some point about what Trump is supposed to do? But the answer is actually easy: whoever strokes Trump’s ego better at the time gets their policy through. Trump lives in the moment.

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      I don’t know, I still think Putin has info on Trump that Trump really doesn’t want to be public for whatever reason. So I’m thinking he would defer to Putin.

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        I used to think that, but there’s nothing Trump could have done that the loony right wing public wouldn’t gleefully dismiss as not important. (Well, apart from a lewd orgy with trans Muslim Mexican immigrants, but I don’t think any of those exist, and Trump would just call it faked anyway.)

        Now I think that Putin just rings him up to tell him what a great president he is and all the world admires how strong a leader he is, not like those weak Democrats who (insert policy Putin wants dropped), no, Trump is a strong and courageous leader and everyone can tell how strong and virile he is because he supports policies like (insert policy that Putin wants implemented).

        I mean maybe there’s a video of Trump shouting “Yes, shove that big beautiful black dildo in me harder!”, but I don’t think it’s necessary at all. See how easy it was for the North Korean president to get Trump to completely change direction. He just sweet talked him for a bit. Trump is an absolute sucker for someone he perceives as strong telling him he’s great. American foreign policy is at the whim of any world leader who can make Trump feel proud of himself for a week.

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          Whether or not the public would dismiss it and whether or not he thinks they would dismiss it are two very different things.

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            Which does point towards some non-hetero sexcapade, because pretty much everything else he’s famous for already having done.

            I still think he’s pathetically easy to manipulate for dictators.

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          Putin probably gave him a few billion to buy him. It’s peanuts money for an oligarch. Putin could reveal the amount and banking details, how much was invested into the different building projects Trump is so proud of.

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          but there’s nothing Trump could have done that the loony right wing public wouldn’t gleefully dismiss as not important.

          Young boys. It’s the only thing I can think of that might sway enough of them.

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            They just wouldn’t believe it. They wouldn’t accept that it was real, and any investigation would either confirm that belief or be obviously political and corrupt.

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              “There’s a big secret that somebody knows that will totally sink Trump’s career at long last and if we can just find what it is and tell everyone else we’ll win” is a lie liberals have been feeding to one another for thirteen years running.

              We have him glad-handing Jeffery Epstein and nobody seems to fucking care. We have him on record paying off prostitutes and taking bribes from the Saudis and implying he’d like to fuck his daughter. We have videos of him saying insane shit about having sex on a yacht during a speech to the fucking Boy Scouts. We have him rambling incoherently about “Eating the Dogs and the Cats” in the middle of a national debate.

              But don’t worry, there’s something even deeper and weirder and crazier. And that’s going to make all the difference.

              And that’s why he’s friends with Vladimir Putin. It’s certainly not just that they’re both white nationalists who agree with each others’ politics.

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      what would happen if Putin and Musk disagree at some point

      Nothing significant. Musk is running on a purely American strain of right-wing revanchism. Trying to deflect all our problems onto Evil Foreign Man is a big part of why the country is as fucked as it is today. We simply cannot let ourselves believe that the fascist strain gripping our country by the taint is American born and bred. So every four years, Republicans accuse the Democrats of being Chinese and Democrats accuse the Republicans of being Russian, and then the parties do old fashioned American Protestant Capitalism to the country while we all writhe in torment, looking for someone else to blame.

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      Fuck the TSA, but the people who work there because it is a paying job deserve stable employment like the rest of us. They don’t make the decisions.

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          When they have enough oversight that the “thin blue line” is no longer a thing.

          Everyone should know the Chris Dorner story.

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          Depends how responsible you think the system is for their behavior and if you feel people deserve a second chance.

          I think ACAB, but I believe their bad behavior is mostly due to systemic pressures.

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        But most of the time you can choose your job… Of course working for the TSA might be more comfortable, but what you do with your life is not usually forced.

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          Yes, you can choose your job, but it is a pretty big pain in the butt to do so. I don’t feel like the “you can just get a better job” argument is a strong one in general.

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      People being forced to work without pay is slavery. No one deserves to be a slave, even if they’re normally paid to do something and that something is not useful.

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        It’s sad that this is apparently a unique take. Sure, “fuck giant corporations”, I agree. But pay the fucking workers who literally do everything.

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          Nobody is forcing them to take security theater jobs oppressing other people. Even the workers can get fucked imo.

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            Work is work. They’re patting down people and scanning x-ray screens. If you disagree with the TSA, vote to abolish it. Until then, requiring that department to work without pay only affects the Working Class.

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              I don’t get to make the decision either way. But I know that they couldn’t be out there humiliating disabled people if working class people refused to take those jobs.

              Just because they’re poor fucks like the rest of us doesn’t mean they aren’t pieces of shit, just like the police.

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              I guess if all you do is worship at the altar of the dollar bill and have no morals then this is a logical argument to make.

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                Or, you know, have children that rely on you.

                But yeah, fuck them. Let them eat cake. They’ll be fine.

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                  You’re acting like it’s the only job in the world. Maybe don’t have kids if the only way you can put food on the table is by ruining air travel for 100% of people?