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Wonder if that person maybe has some kind of a problem that makes it difficult for them to concentrate and focus their attention when someone is talking to them or something and they just totally missed the detail about the medicine being prescribed. Maybe they need to see a doctor about it.
“No you may not”
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Here’s an alternate scenario
Noice! Art will save us from entropy.
it looks like nixos in a trash
Just read the docs…
Ok, I made myself laugh.
I thought exactly the same!
well at least this person suggests a doctor, some will reference a YouTube video where an influencer talks about gut supplements that will completely cure any mental health issues, cancer, diabetes and coronary heart diseases linked to genetic factors
Or paleo diets.
it’s da food colorin it is
Or paleo diets.
There is a tremendous amount of emerging research indicating a lot of brain dysfunction is rooted in insulin resistance. Which is a direct result of diet. I can’t speak for paleo, but if it’s a subset of keto, there is very promising research showing ketogenic diets increase available energy in the brain. By passing insulin resistance. Helping people with mental conditions.
“Well, Richard. You mind if I call you Richard? Well, Dick. Sometimes the doctor prescribes this for me.”
“Oh this? It helps me focus on minding my own fucking business.”
Ooh, pithy, I like this
Never tell people you take adderall. They’ll ask you for adderall to get high.
(this advice does not apply if you want to sell adderall)
Well obviously
Soooo…do you have any Adderall?
Not anymore
I got Ritalin.
Viagra Lite
Really? I don’t have sex as I’m not interested in people like that.
Especially in this day and age in the United States when the “health department” is trying to categorize these groups as subhuman if you’re autistic or have ADHD
Or launch into a tirade about how it’s fake and doesn’t do anything and be reeeeally fucking insistent on it
I just stopped answering her calls
or launch into a tirade about how it’s meth in disguise because their drug knowledge is having watched breaking bad in 2015
Or accuse you of selling drugs
I really can’t take my medication as it kills my appetite and it’s shit at the best of times. Really don’t know what to do
Have you tried the non stimulants like Strattera or any other SNRIs?
Straterra is ok but made me feel anxious. Wellbutrin xl is actually decent. I suggest at least trying both for those like me that didn’t like the rollercoaster of typical ADHD meds and the bedroom side effects.
My dick issues come from the antidepressants, not the ADHD meds.
I have not. I went from XL (extended release) to the short acting ones but still wrecked me.
I might speak to the doctor about getting changed to non-stimulant but the cruel irony is ADHD is going to prevent me doing this quickly.
I’ve been struggling with the same thing. I’ve tried Adderall XR and Concerta so far, with neither really actually helping with my focus or executive function. All I got were headaches, sinus pressure, uncomfortable appetite suppression (felt like my throat was full), and a few other standard stimulant side effects.
Waiting on Vyvanse to see how the prodrug formulations work out, but I’m not optimistic. Concerta did help with my anxiety, but the side effects overpowered any benefit.
Exactly why I stopped taking them as the negatives outweigh the benefits.
Tell HR. Fuck 'em. No tolerance for ableism.
In my experience, fucking HR is worse than the gossip boxes.
HR is the office cop.
NEVER talk to American cops.
My HR and I have a wordless dirty look relationship.
I’m not letting my coworkers discriminate against me.
And HR won’t let you be a liability for a lawsuit either. HR is there to protect the company, not you. If they see that you could be a threat in terms of “work discrimination” they will get rid of you first for other reasons so you won’t have the chance
What the fuck is this thought process? Document everything as it happens, then EEOC their ass for the obvious discrimination. Do not let people discriminate against you.
Then you can take them to court for wrongful termination.
I’ve never worked for a company where HR was anything but useless. When you get fired for shit like this (or in general) it’s usually someone in the management chain calling the shots.
“I would like to file a wrongful termination suit”
“We’ll need $50K for pre-trial, more if they won’t settle”
“Oh shit I thought lawsuits were free???”
“Common mistake, we get that all the time”
I guess we just make shit up now? The NLRB doesn’t have fees for reporting violations, and Pro-Bono lawyers charge a percent of the settlement not "more if they won’t settle. "
Yeah, it wouldn’t be worth the effort to go after for a minimum wage gig, but for a 150k career? Definitely. Don’t let “fear of HR” turn you into a door mat that tolerates a toxic work environment.
That assumes you can find a contingency lawyer that will take your case, which is not guaranteed.
HR is usually very careful with terminations, with policy and practices being reviewed by lawyers so as to avoid giving you anything you can use against them. They’re expert in finding justifications to terminate people while making it look above-board.
So you go to HR and smugly try to get someone in trouble for bothering you. They simply will not care that you feel unjustly treated. If they terminate you, it will ostensibly be because your position was eliminated, or for cause (bad performance or other reasons.) But it will really be because the business sees you as more risky and difficult to extract value from than other people who aren’t crybabies. (That is what they will see you as, no matter what.)
And then you go to a contingency lawyer and tell your story, and they say, “sorry, we can’t do this on contingency because their case is too strong. They documented that they have valid reasons. But if you want, our retainer is $10K to get started, and we’ll try to meditate for you.” When mediation fails: “Another $40K for trial prep.” So at this point the lawyer is fucking you too, and you’re spending 5 figures on a case you stand a good chance of losing.
Or, you could just say “I’m not gonna talk about my pills, dude” to your coworker, and then go eat a pop tart in the break room, and stay out of that whole entire hurricane.
This. This this this.
Calm your shit dude. Don’t go to HR over something this small.
Just punch his dad in the cock.
I vote, seduce their mum, and bang the shit out of her! Then ask the coworker, who’s your daddy?
Depends on the mom tho, right?
^…right?
When it comes to being a motherfucker, one must not discriminate.
Have some patience
I’m not disabled myself but if a coworker says something like that they’re probably just uninformed, it just shows that their concerned for you
No it doesn’t. It shows they have a high and mighty attitude and they’re fucking ignorant. They can keep their lack of medical expertise to themselves.
The correct response here would be to simply say “no” when they say “can I ask what it is you’re taking.”
It’s too late though. That’s not the scenario presented.
Absolutely agree!
Sounds like something an ableist would say. I’m sure homophobes are “just concerned” about the lifestyles of LGBTQ.
some people aren’t there for a conversation, but are just waiting for the right moment to say the thing they want to say to get the brain chemicals they reward themselves with once they say it.
You just described 90% of what goes on in social media
That makes sense. Sometimes common arguments, advice, and old ideas get shared ad nauseum around social circles, like moldy old memes that everyone, except them, is tired of hearing. One person says stupid idea with conviction, and others listen. Now when someone else repeats stupid idea around the first person, they know they’ll be agreed with - it’s an easy way to get that dopamine hit and strengthen a social bond. Others in the group then start to think that stupid idea is important for them to also believe, and the effect snowballs, as more of them share stupid idea with others - expecting to be agreed with.
People keep doing this, over and again, never once examining the words they repeat. This leads to people who confidently say ignorant crap like, “You don’t need medicine, you seem fine to me!” despite the fact that they’ve only ever seen you after you’d taken your medicine. It’s likely someone in their social circle put that idea in their head once, and they never critically examined it because it’s easier and more rewarding to simply repeat things without thinking about them.
get the brain chemicals they reward themselves
Damn. They should probably see a doctor about that and not take drugs.
High five for you and everybody else here. It’s like one of the 12 Rules for Life, assume that the other person knows things that you don’t. Remembering that rule tames the racing thoughts and helps me to listen effectively for a few moments. It holds relationships together.
Some people online do that too. Arguing for a dopamine rush, whilst saying the same thing as the arguee.
See a doctor
Done.
Don’t take drugs.
But… the doctor said…
Why are you listening to doctors?
But… you said…
No, see, if you visit a doctor, you’re cured.
Can I just walk in the waiting room and read a couple magazines for the same effect?
According to this person, probably.
Since the person said, one should SEE a doctor, the magazines need to contain a picture of one. But then everything should be cured asap. 👍
Not in the U.S. In a for-profit system for health care, you can’t be Officially Cured™ until you’ve at least paid a co-pay.
(Additional bills may arrive months later; in the meantime, you’re granted temporary permission to be healthy.)
“Have you tried [holistic bullshit]? It worked great for my [barely an acquaintance] who had [unrelated issues]!”
It’s such a shame how the word “holistic” has been co-opted by the woo-woo brigade. The concept it’s meant to represent, which is simply “the idea that the whole is more than merely the sum of its parts,” makes sense on its own, and is applied in legit medicine.
However, the word has been associated with snake oil so much that it’s hard to take it seriously anymore. I was in my mid-20s by the time I learned the actual meaning of the word; until then I assumed it was akin to “homeopathy” or some other garbage.
To riff on what you said, I think in the US 9/10 people think homeopathy refers to home remedies and traditional medicine. Because it seems like the word home is in there. I try to explain to people that homeopathy really is and their eyes glaze over like I’m telling them some conspiracy theory. I hate that shit so much.
God that is the absolute worst.
It’s more fun when it’s your own mother trying to sell her MLM holistic bullshit. No mom, I don’t need your snake oil pills, I needed a therapist.
My mom: you don’t need therapy; all a therapist will do is tell you everything is your mom’s fault
(Spoiler: I did and they did and it was)
Acceptance of the ways my mom failed me is a step towards detachment from her and healthy processing of my traumas. [That’ll be $15,000 USD. Worth it at twice the price]
Yeah. I started therapy for “anger management” (I got so frustrated at unmet needs that I bent a fork in half at a restaurant, which caused my still-boyfriend to urge me into therapy).
Two months in, my mom visited and was flagrantly awful in ways I couldn’t emotionally repress. That helped my therapist zero in on the real issue and forced me to recognize it as well.
My pocketbook is poorer but my non-relationship with my mom is much healthier. Oh! And I now am much better able to recognize my unmet needs and meet them before I bend a fork.
Way to go with meeting your needs! I know how hard that is - my mom also trained me to put myself second, and treats me as an extension of herself. I recently (within the last year) realized that not only do I not reach out for help when I need it, but I don’t even recognize when I need help. It took my old manager seeing I was stressed and saying she wanted to help me, but that she’s “not a mind-reader” and I have to actually ask her for it, for me to step back and realize that my approach isn’t typical. It turns out I’m so accustomed to having to go through shit entirely by myself, that the thought that somebody else might be able to help doesn’t even occur to me.
By coincidence, guess who dismissed me as a child anytime I went to her for help? Yep, dear ol’ Mommy, telling me shit like “you’re just too sensitive” and “the bullies won’t remember [that awful rumor they made up and are currently spreading against me] years from now.” Mmhmm, surefire solutions right there that definitely demonstrate concern and understanding of my issues.
Why yes, I am still bitter, why do you ask?
Thanks and I’m glad you’re on a similar journey. Well, not glad you had to start the journey, but glad you’re progressing on it.
I have grief for the mother I didn’t have, but it’s ok.
That’s awesome.
I’ve had someone tell me with a straight face that I’m “basically taking meth”.
This is the same kind of person that says “American cheese slices are one molecule away from being plastic!”
Even if meth was chemically identical to ADHD meds, the argument still wouldn’t hold. Anything that lessens people’s symptoms without creating even more problems can be a medication.
Hell even if it creates more problems, but lessens symptoms in a way that’s better than the problems, it can be a medication. Like chemotherapy.
I like to pour them a glass of peroxide and tell them to drink it. It’s basically water. Literally just a molecule away from being water bro. Drink it bro, cmon! It’s just a molecule!
It’s actually just one atom away!
Lmao I knew that and yet my brain decided “it’s a whole-ass molecule today!”
Since you didn’t specify hydrogen peroxide, technically FOOF is a peroxide. And FOOF is a molecule away from being water.
Oh my god I told my friend that I use hydrocortisone on my eczema which sometimes happens on my neck and he’s like dude don’t put peroxide on your face! I have explained to him that just because the first part of the word is hydro doesn’t make it hydrogen peroxide. He doesn’t listen well. We’re both ADHD for what it’s worth.
We do not talk about FOOF. Do not acknowledge it. It feeds on fear.
OK fair haha
I mean, you technically sort of are taking meth in a way, but that’s because you need it since you react differently to it.
I mean, there’s nothing wrong with someone with severe physical trauma being given fentanyl for example.
dexamphetamine literally lacks the methyl group which gives “meth” it’s name.
Yeah but it has the “amphetamine” part that gives meth it’s kick. And that’s what most people think of when it comes to the drug - the effect it has on a standard person, not the chemical name (otherwise they’d be calling methylprednisolone “meth” too. And let’s face it, the majority of the population doesn’t know why it’s nicknamed meth either).
On a legal scale, “amphetamines” are what’s regulated, not methyl groups.
My meds are Methylphenidate so tbh I assumed they were a bit ‘methy’
you technically sort of are taking meth in a way
You are 100% NOT taking meth when you take ADHD stims. The only thing linking the two is the core ingredient which is a methyl-5 molecule, which your body makes on its own.
The drug meth is a synthetic methyl-5 compound with a ton of other nasty crap in it that doesn’t exist in ADHD medication.
Like I said, whoever says that is in the same group as the American cheese is almost plastic crowd.
This is so inaccurate. Also there isn’t “nasty crap” in methamphetamine. It is a pure drug. The way it’s made can introduce impurities which make it shitty quality though, like shit from redneck labs.
The way it’s made can introduce impurities which make it shitty quality though, like shit from redneck labs.
Yes, hence the “nasty crap”
Dex_amphetamine_
Meth_amphetamine_
No, the thing linking the 2 is the amphetamine part. Which is the actual stimulant.
The drug meth is actually just methamphetamine - there’s no “nasty crap” in it unless the person synthesizing it doesn’t refine and purify it well, which is true of basically all chemistry.
A more apt comparison is a strong beer and wine - both technically different things, but both get you drink because of the alcohol ingredient in them. They’re both alcoholic drinks.
Same with amphetamines - both are stimulants that have essentially the same effect. That’s specifically why they both work in treating ADHD. The only significant difference is one is legal (with a prescription) and the other isn’t, which of course means good luck getting it really pure and at the correct dosage. The only other difference is how fast acting / long lasting they are because of that tail molecule, but the part that has an actual effect on people is the amphetamine part.
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking fentanyl for any reason. There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking any drug for any reason. The only issues are things like how, where, when, etc. Anyone opposed to the full and complete legalization of all drugs should be executed.
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking fentanyl for any reason.
Yes
There’s nothing wrong with anyone taking any drug for any reason.
Preach
The only issues are things like how, where, when, etc.
Absolutely
Anyone opposed to the full and complete legalization of all drugs should be executed.
Ohh. Oh no…
Yeah, I know, sometimes I troll too hard. But it is reasonable to take such folks and send them to an island somewhere so they can hate freedom to themselves.
There’s nothing morally wrong, but there’s definitely something physically wrong with taking fentanyl when you don’t need fentanyl, especially long term. Like just because someone is addicted doesn’t mean they should stay addicted. I doubt you’re advocating for alcoholics to remain alcoholic for example.
Also, I think you mean anyone against the usage of all drugs don’t have a valid opinion, not the creation of all drugs (there’s no good reason Krokodil should exist for example).
This comment makes no sense. It’s like saying there’s something physically wrong with shoving bread up your ass. Who cares?
I’m pretty sure your ass would care, depending on the kind of bread. A firm crusty bread would probably do some damage. Kinda like how too much fentanyl does damage. Physically.
And yet it’s entirely irrelevant. It amazes me how stupid people get when you make even the most elementary observations about the world. Fear is your only god.
Meth is the #1 most abused drug by clinical scientists. That is to say, just like functional alcoholism is a thing, there’s functional meth heads among some of the most well-respected and reputable scientists in the world. Anyway that would be my response if I was told I was basically taking meth.
That’s not really a good way to spin it. Having ADHD is nothing like functional alcoholism. An alcoholic is destructively addicted to alcohol, and a functional one is really good at hiding it.
ADHD is a condition outside of any external influence, and medication helps normalize individuals dealing with it.
Your approach is the logical equivalent of a burglar saying “I rob people’s homes because they have guns to defend themselves”.
What? No? I don’t think the scientists abusing meth all have ADHD or they’d have meds prescribed by their doctor. What I was saying was just a tongue in cheek response to someone telling you that you’re basically taking meth.
I am really not following your analogy.
They misread the comment.
I didn’t
I don’t think the scientists abusing meth all have ADHD or they’d have meds prescribed by their doctor.
Then that’s an even worse analogy than I thought you were saying. I get what you’re trying to say, but it comes across as “well that other guy did something wrong, so I can do it too”.
And I know that’s not what you’re trying to say, but that’s how it reads.
They do actually prescribe actual meth for adhd but it’s a different drug known as Desoxyn
Desoxyn is a brand name of methamphetamine hydrochloride. Literally the quintessential ADHD med.
It’s completely different than the street drug “meth”. The only similarity is the methyl-5 ingredient, which is a molecule that our body naturally synthesizes continuously.
It’s completely different than the street drug “meth”. The only similarity is the methyl-5 ingredient, which is a molecule that our body naturally synthesizes continuously.
Slightly surprised it hasn’t spawned a factoid that claims the body makes meth/is full of it.
What part of prescribed adderall do u not understand?
Also, it should be pretty obvious they’ve got adhd if they’re not going batshit coocoo after taking it, they’re fucking amphetamines.
I took speed once with a friend and he was completely off the rails, I didn’t feel anything. Is that a bad sign?
Could be, yes. People with ADHD respond to stimulants differently to how NTs do, it usually has a more calming/relaxing or focusing effect.
Scientifically, I think (based on all the huberman ep’s I’ve listened to) it’s cuz it makes up for our lack of dopamine receptors helping us perform tasks, and our minds act like a NT’s, and since an NT’s dopamine levels are normal it sends them into overdrive and makes them hella overstimulated.
Dats why when NT’s take addy recreationally it makes them go mental, cuz it’s basically a controlled version of speed. I don’t do blow but I know certain man with ADHD who have and they tell me it knocks them out, like a sleeping pill.
My understanding is that the ADHD brain activity resembles an NT’s when they’re extremely tired or sleep deprived, with a lot of theta wave activity. Stimulants can help jog an ADHD person’s brain into alpha and beta waves, which are associated with relaxation or alertness and focus.
It’s a bit of both with a healthy dose of “we’re not sure”. We know that ADHD brains don’t regulate neurotransmitters properly and that the theta vs beta waves are different, but there are a lot of other mechanisms we don’t understand.
Another great example is guanfacine. It’s primarily a blood pressure medication, but it also improves emotional regulation for ADHD patients. We think it improves connections in the prefrontal cortex, but we ultimately don’t have a solid understanding of why it actually helps.
I started taking guanfacine because I’m at Adderall max, which is way too low. I have been taking it for a over a month and I can’t feel any difference.
I take the BEST naps right after my Vyvanse kicks in. Usually only for 20-30 minutes, but it’s very restful.
Then I pop up and have normal energy levels.
I stopped taking Vyvanse and went to Adderall for this reason. Always made me so sleepy and I can’t afford to be nodding off at work.
I have to take my meds an hour before I have to get up because it makes me so exhausted.
I so think I can help everyone focus to an extent, but for NT’s the side effects are usually not worth the trade off, whereas if you have ADHD, you may choose to take the side effects for the benefit of the medication.
In comparison to the benefits, it’s hard to even consider the side effects. All I get is that my appetite vanishes and I don’t require 12 hours of sleep per day. As long as i force myself to eat there are literally no negatives lol
The only bad side effect for me is that if I have anxiety, then it can make the anxiety worse.
Nah, you’re cool
