Lying is easy and takes less time. Real news requires going places, interviewing people, fact checking, and presenting it in a professional manner.
It’s no wonder the right wing media ecosystem is bigger.
Lying is easy and takes less time.
A lot of these shows go hand-in-glove with traditional media. The police-blotter style coverage of local news, wherein a handful of old white people bemoan the latest string of young black man violent crimes gets picked up and fed into the Podcast Racism Engine and spat out as the show’s Two-Minute Hate of the day.
Then you have a congo-line of ex-military blowhards telling you how they got rich trading in their service pensions for crypto futures. You have the usual suspects lineup of incel sex pests complaining that America’s Newest Supermodel isn’t hot enough or isn’t Trad Enough, in between reading sponsor copy for whatever PR company paid them to say said Supermodel’s name twenty times in a given episode. You have interviews with C-list politicians who come on the show to cry about how you can’t say the N-word anymore, on account of the Woke. You have middling athletes at the end of their careers complain about how Transgender high schoolers are ruining the sport. You have middling songwriters at the end of their careers complain about how they pay too much in taxes and hate all three of their ex-wives. You have middling screenwriters demo a pilot episode of a cartoon series about Real Americans forced to use pronouns at gunpoint, then point you to the conservative version of Kickstarter with the promise of a full series that’ll never get produced once they have your money. And holy shit will you get an earful about Jesus.
All this takes a bunch of time and networking and tons of money to grease the wheels. Charlie Kirk ain’t doing this shit for free. But it’s stacked up like any classic MLM, with the kingpins racking in disproportionately more than any of their minions or guests.
It’s short-sighted to say these operations are just faster than traditional journalism, though. Lots of the names on that board have been bouncing around for decades. This is a long term, heavily financed, hugely lucrative propaganda machine. It dates back to the Nixon Era (arguably earlier) and quite a few folks have gone to their graves helping to build it.
Man it’s fucking wild seeing the US become split over political sides like they are sports teams.
they have been for decades, when i was in IR class in college, the professor, indian knows how partisan things are compared to other countries. although he dint at the time realize it was because of russia though. we were discussing various forms of govt in that class of different countries. (it was interesting class, but i dint want to stay in it.)
Yeah I’m sure it has but it’s reached a level that’s nonsensical and everything X does is bad because I believe in Y.
and also propaganda is easy to digest on the right too.
Feels weird to include Noah and Carlson but not include Jon Stuart, Stephen Colbert, or John Oliver.
Maybe because Jon Stuart, Stephen Colbert, and John Oliver don’t currently host any “online shows”?
Jon Stewart has a podcast: https://youtube.com/@WeeklyShowPodcast
Well, I guess I’m part of the “problem” then. Haha. I watch the show (although via sources that still don’t “count”), but had no clue he has a podcast.
John Oliver’s show regularly uploads segments to YT for free viewing, though. It often hits the trending list.
Yeah, but that may not count as an “online show” since the full episodes aren’t available on the platforms they were looking at.
Asmongold…you have got to be shitting me. imagine getting your “news” from a guy that used a dead rat as an alarm clock, wipes the blood from his gums on his bedroom wall, used to routinely eat snacks that had maggots in them, and treats drinking water like it’s poison.
A guy who could barely play WoW and left his main account on twitch because making money from viewers on that was “too stressful” proceeds to start an alt channel where he nows grifts the right for money.
I dunno who this person is… But this chart was apparently made my Media Matters according to the credits at the bottom.
All I know of him is he starts showing up on my YouTube if I dont wipe my brwser every few weeks. Haven’t watched anything of his but based off the video titles I’ve seen and his face I don’t see how anyone would want to watch them. He just looks dirty.
Shitstaingold: “Muh Superior Western Culture”
Also Shitstaingold: “I never clean my room, have roaches, and never wash my hands”
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Growing up in the 90s, teachers and adults were always saying “the geek shall inherit the Earth” or shit like that. We were told we would create a progressive and peaceful tech utopia with a post-scarcity economy where no one goes without.
Well, we did inherit the earth. And all that happened was hateful fucking dirtbags like Asmongold getting paid to play video games and wormtongue their far right incel bullshit into our kid’s ears.
Chosen of Nurgle
I don’t get why people dislike him so much. You don’t have to agree with everything he says, and he presents stuff pretty honestly. If you don’t like it, just don’t watch it
I don’t watch him, and neither should you. He’s a con artist. It’s painfully obvious he’s grifting his viewer base with his “hot takes”. He doesn’t present jack shit honestly. Remember when he called the Palestinian people “inferior”? He discovered he could milk people like you for money by saying the most dumb shit and you eat it up like pigs eating shit.
Idk, his reaction content just comes up on my second monitor once in a while. I’ve never given him anything. I think it’s healthy to take in opinions other than my own, and I don’t get brainwashed by media personalities, but then again, I’m not American
The man is a biohazard that I can smell through the monitor.
You need to take a hard look at your life, and maybe seek some therapy
Alright buddy
why follow someone that looks like homeless person, and never showered. people who dont like him arnt agreeing with him at all. and his recent drama with other influencers is quite stupid on his point.
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Most of the ones labeled “left” here are pushing center right talking points at best.
The actual leftist online sources, like African Stream, are straight up banned from the platforms. The right wing sources dominate because they don’t challenge corporate interests, and are not subject to censorship.
ThE LeFt cOntRols The nArAtiVe
Left snowflakes are treading on me snaek!
TYT is left? Excuse the fuck out of me? Lmfao last I heard TYT was russia funded
I haven’t even heard of TYT in years. Somehow they still have 12m viewers? Do people listen to them to fall asleep or something lol
They showed up on my feed when I got real into police accountability/1st amendment audits on YT. They used to do some coverage of really outrageous police interactions, but they’ve been swinging hard at turning the argument from “accountability” to “don’t resist”. Not my cup of mud
not really surprised, russias geopolitics includes funding both sides so they fight each other, and to distract from russias external policies. hence culture wars was a gift to them. they are basically agitators.
Them deciding to name themselves after the party that committed the Armenian genocide, the event according to which the term was defined, is especially heinous. It’s like calling a show NSDAP live.
Is this graph supposed to be useful in any way? It excludes a huge number of voices from the left and also have a bunch of circles without names and just some random 1.1m or 2m NR on them but without any indication of who they represent more than their color.
I don’t understand why bubbles with seemingly random positions was chosen to represent this data.
is whyElmo how could you! How dare you display data on a format that poorly communicated the data! You were supposed to be better than this!
I still can’t believe we’re going back to the days of muppet robber barons, beating up schoolchildren for enough lunch money to “respool their bobbins” (elmo made me censor that)
The young turks turned far right over night once Harris lost.
Last I saw them was them saying the left needs to start treating trans people shittier because my"most Americans are transphobic" and if we ever want to win an election again, we have to be transphobic.
As a trans person myself dating another trans person, where are we supposed to go?
You know every well where they want you to go.
How do you even talk to these people? The left is transphobic, you’re just calling the centre-right the left and stopping there.
Feels like the conversation can go no where because they view the left as just things they don’t agree with
They go where the money is.
i was going to say, there are some other things on here mislabeled as blue
It wasn’t over night. For example, their support for harris was far right in the first place.
Seeing TYT “left-leaning” saddens me. If they were left-leaning, they are not anymore.
I actually have to thank TYT for turning me to the left. If it wasn’t for their constant retreat into smug milquetoast centrism when presented with “radical” solutions to help the poor and oppressed their rich asses pantomimed giving a shit about, I never would have realized I was an anarchist.
I must be missing something. I have been watching TYT recently after being impressed with Cenk’s arguments in his appearance on Jubilee. Regarding American politics, he is certainly left. Maybe people on Lemmy think otherwise because we have so many literal Communists, but in their videos they take every opportunity to rant against the “donor class” while criticising Republicans for obvious reasons and Democrats for being pro-Israel, their election shenanigans, or for generally not being radical enough.
The only politicians I’ve seen get much praise when I watch are Bernie and Zohran Mamdani, so that’s about where I would put them. If you don’t consider Social Democrats / Democratic Socialists to be left, I am curious where you think the centrist “origin point” of the political compass should be. I would think their policies would be left of the governments of almost any country on Earth.
I think you may indeed miss something. It’s not the “people on Lemmy”. A few YouTubers on the left have noticed and made videos about TYT’s downfall. They now have ex employees like Hasan Piker and Francesca Fiorentini openly talking about how people are treated at TYT.
There’s also the whole thing about Ana getting “agitated” about some non-issues like “birth giving person” or some bullshit like that, and saying that she is done with the Democrats.
Another point that comes up often about them is how much they are willing to be friends with people of the right. They go on right wing shows to criticize the left. They also attack other YouTubers on the left like The Majority Report.
Beyond their sometimes seemingly balanced speeches, they are rapidly shifting on the right. They are becoming grifters.
I don’t want to link to a bunch of AI articles and/or long YouTube videos but this contains a bit of juice: https://novapsyche.substack.com/p/the-young-turks-daniel-penny-and
Thank you for the link and context. I’m not familiar with most of what you brought up, but I’ll check it out.
Hasan Piker is a socialist as far as I can tell so I guess they would be to the right of him. I hadn’t heard of Francesca Fiorentini.
I think I remember them talking briefly about a “birth giving person” label but they didn’t seem to treat it like a big issue at the time. They may have focussed on it more some other time and I just didn’t see.
One thing I do remember is when Cenk caused a stir as a guest at a TPUSA conference a few years back and focussed on common ground ideas like oppression from elites and disdain for legacy media and certain politicians, some on the left but also a lot for Mitch McConnell. If that’s what friendship means then I don’t have a problem with it I guess. He seemed consistent then with what he’s been saying now.
I guess another thing recently was praising Marjorie Taylor Greene for proposing cutting back on funding for Israeli missiles. Regardless of the background of the person launching it, the bill was a step in the right direction for them so they gave credit. Again, I would say it’s consistent with their values rather than it being a partisan thing. They are definitely not fans of hers.
A big part of avoiding echo chambers is holding people on your side accountable and examining perspectives from people who disagree with you. The criticism I’ve seen so far focuses on the actions that violate their stances and acknowledges counterarguments so I consider it generally fair.
The effect Cenk had on the people at that conference backfired. Kirk played him like a fiddle and they only talked about common ground issues. To their audience it came off as “we’re so right that even this leftist agrees with us”.
jubilee seems very right leaning channel to me.
I don’t think they understand politics enough to discern ideology, so they take political labels at face value. That’s how you get 1 liberal (sam seder) vs 20 conservatives, and it turns out to be 1 jew vs 20 weird nazis.
They could be intentionally obtuse. Surely they’re intentionally provocative, the question is whether this is because of ignorance or malice. My guess is it’s something in between, where they’re smart enough to know what they’re doing but care more about the money. I mean they surely vetted the fascists they got on with Mehdi Hasan because most of those people are creators with content out there for all to see, so they knew exactly what views they were platforming and normalizing to a wide audience.
I don’t think they’re ideologically fascist, but I do think they’re evil, in the same way capitalists are evil: they always consciously choose their self-interest over accountability for the consequences of their actions (which they are well aware of). And if push comes to shove, they’d fight dirty (e.g. aligning with fascists and fascist narratives) to protect themselves from said accountability.
What makes you think that?
This is me. I get my news from Lemmy, a dude in New Z̶e̶e̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ Zealand , and a gardener in Oregon.
Sometimes a lady in Florida that owns a shed.
That’s New Zealand, or Aotearoa if you prefer.
Get some of your news from a Scottish astronomer/gamer and Fly Safe!
Not sure I trust the methodology here. I would’ve expected shows like The Ezra Klein Show or Pod Save America to be fairly big on the left here (and on the Apple Podcast charts, TEKS is ahead in rank of some that are listed here, PSA not far behind).
The description of the methodology is not very clear. For example, it’s unclear what they consider a “show”, what their search strategy was to arrive at their initial list of shows, and how the raters determined whether a show was leaning left or right (i.e., some of this is described but not in a way that would make it reproducible, and there seems to be some gut feel involved). The exclusion of shows produced by TV stations makes sense but excludes more left- than rightwing sources.
I don’t doubt that right-wing shows have the upper hand in the non-traditional media market and agree this is a problem, but this project may be exaggerating the difference a bit.
Pretty Ezra Klein is a genocidal fascist not a leftist…
According to .world, supporting genocide is the moral leftist ideal, and if you don’t support genocide you’re a fascist.
They also think the sky is yellow and the everyone wears a goatee in their mirror universe.
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Did something change? Last I knew they were insufferable libs
Same with Ezra Klein, who is representing the enlightened center.
To me, Ezra Klein is a pretty clear example of a left-leaning US political commentator. Not a far-left one, sure, but still one I would firmly expect to show up on the left-leaning side of this list. I know that ratings like this are far from perfect, but the AllSides media bias rating seems to agree (though marked as initial/low confidence): https://www.allsides.com/news-source/ezra-klein
Based on your evaluation, what would be an example of a commentator that leans moderately left (like just left of center) to you?
Someone else already replied, but I personally consider centrism as the whole middle range of the dial, so to speak, and not just the point directly in its “middle.” So if someone is a corporate apologist and they maybe have some socially lefty views but then they regularly bag on actual leftists and espouse “abundance” that’s basically a handout to real estate developers instead of actually addressing wealth inequality—then I consider them a centrist.
Ezra Klein is a pretty clear example of a left-leaning US political commentator.
Fascism and genocide are directly opposed to leftism.
what would be an example of a commentator that leans moderately left (like just left of center) to you?
Hasan maybe. Dude is a capitalist creep but does tend to promote some actual leftism.
Fascism and genocide are directly opposed to leftism.
Liberal leftism yes but not socicalist and communist leftism.
Yeah turns out the morons stopped reading newspapers and by the time the one who still read the news realized it, the online sphere was “alt right” I can’t even make ironic comments anymore because everyone reads at a 5th grade level; and if I’m sarcastic I get banned by a mod that doesn’t receive it well. And now we all have to compete with AI online, it’s time to crush all our phones and resort to local fucking activism with like one HAM radio operator per cell
and many “social media” forums leans right wing in various forms, so you might get banned very easily.
I will never understand how anyone can listen to Theo Von or Lex Fridman without losing thousands of brain cells per second.
They can’t. Which explains the whole manosphere train of thought
They go into listening to those people with less brain cells than an average healthy person. If you have a normal number of brain cells you don’t get caught up with that shit to begin with.
So many masterdebaters
The right has more bots
