This entire political party is fucking insane. It’s telling that this numbnut is spreading the most reasonable message from their camp at the moment. The U.S. is so fucked. And it’s pathetic how most people don’t rebel. Now they say “wait for the next vote”, but there won’t be a proper vote. Your government are a bunch of pedophiles protecting themselves and each other by holding onto their power. Ah, will write nothing more. It’s not doing anything anyway.
“Thank you for your attention to this matter!”
Full disclosure, this was a response to a deleted comment lol
Also, does anyone know why Connect for Lemmy is highlighting almost every comment bright purple?
This could have all been ended when it was discovered Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. He should have been impeached and then imprisoned. The Republican party traded any semblance of law and justice for corrupt party loyalty.
You can’t imprison a celebrity in america. How absurd
Well obviously not a white one.
Sure. Lets all assume MAGA believed it was a “hoax, or democratic lie” before today. Now that it isnt they need to explain why they still support Trump.
Because that’s how they own the libs.
Because it’s about their side winning. They don’t care about trump exactly, they care about their team.
MTG helped build this hellscape. She shouldn’t be allowed to out run it either just because she decided to quit as soon as the wind changed directions.
She’s got other heavy baggage for sure. But you can still appreciate her efforts on this front. If she’s willing and able to tear down Trump and all the other pedos on the list, don’t turn down the help. We still need all we can get.
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You’re being needlessly argumentative mate. The previous posted basically said “She’s trash, but she can help tear things down”… You then reply, saying “no”, but also saying “She can be a useful idiot” who can help “try and wreck trump”. SO YOU AGREED AND ADDED NOTHING.
Just upvote the other guy. Yeesh.
You’re right. Did it. Happy? I just get so incensed at these politicians.
No one said she is suddenly pure. Not even her.
You cannot deny this doesnt benefit everyone. You cannot deny you are benefitting from this too.
Dont pretend you’re somehow above this and that having a maga switch sides doesnt help talk down the other MAGA from being so undeniably cruel by throwing a vote to literal satan.
And what do you think should happen with all the MAGA followers after all is said and done and they wake the hell up? Kill the ignored poor and uneducated who voted badly because they are ignored poor and uneducated?
Does that make us all better than hitler or trump?
Even if and when the dems take back the place the previously ignored MAGA followers dont disappear nor does the holes in the democracy that gave way to billionaires helping this rhetoric build up.
So i dont know what you are picturing as the ultimate win here. It is just to win against the maga here? cuz as i see it, there are two very different wars to win: the political house and the toxic maga rhetoric. Allowing billionaires to happen while the larger percentage starves and becomes ignorant to be used.
Cuz that shouldnt have happened at all in a working democracy.
So it is not enough to just win the house here. Major changes need to happen for it to sustain.
When germany swung back from hitler; the converted followers didnt just vanish there. Neither are the people who were once MAGA in america. But the germany as a whole did change what caused that rhetoric to get them to that point.
The poor and uneducated arent going away.
So You’re either going to have to find some peace with this or roll up sleeves and change it.
I’ve had my sleeves rolled up and been working to change it irl since Trump’s first term and again in 2025’s campaign and change of power. So you don’t have to tell me. I also never advocated for killing the poor and uneducated. So I don’t know what you’re on about there with that straw man. Sorry but I’m always going to advocate for accountability and I’m not giving MTG a pass.
I miss the days when MTG stood for Magic the Gathering.
As far as I know, this MTG never sicced the Pinkertons on anyone.
I read this as Parkinson’s at first…
Just ICE implicitly.
Something we ALL ALREADY KNEW and you guys being the only ones pretending otherwise…is not a bombshell.
I’ll never like her.
I will begrudgingly acknowledge that she was likely suckered in the same way so many people were suckered, and is now trying to do the right thing.
I will continue to quietly suspect that she’s probably an accessory to the cover up in some way and is trying to save her own ass.
However, the enemy of my enemy and all…
She’s not trying to do the right thing. She was perfectly happy being compliant with the current administration as long as her back was scratched. Now that they’ve thrown her under the bus, she wants to piss in as many teacups as possible!
She’s on a tear because she thought she’d get a top cabinet position, only to discover that Trump along with everyone else in the party thinks she’s a moron.
To be fair, she IS a moron.
To be fair!
I don’t really think she is trying to do the right thing. She was Trumps biggest ally for YEARS while he did some of the worst things, you could think of and she most likely knew about the Epstein stuff way before this and actively covered it up. She doesn’t believe in anything except her own power.
I think, the reason she is doing this is because she recognized that Trump is a sinking ship and she is trying to take advantage of that for her own gain. Maybey she wants to run for president in the future or at least be the loyal companion of one. If she were to continue defending Trump for everything his admin does, she would sink with him, so she tries to get out.
Sometimes, even basically evil people have a line they won’t cross. Deceiving the public and corrupting the rule of law beyond repair, just to protect a cabal of pedophile rapists, seems to be that line, for an alarmingly small number of republicans. I guess she just didn’t think it would come to that. MTG is probably just your basic greedy racist vindictive kind of evil. I can imagine why the sadistic child raping stuff might be a deal breaker for some people.
I think MTG is loyal to “her people”. She’s fine when “other people” are hurt, but Epstein and his co-conspirators hurt white, Christian, American girls. We’re seeing more and more people breaking off from MAGA based on their personal principles, like the NRA and other 2nd amendment rights group speaking out against the Pretti shooting.
Donald has no principles whatsoever, he just wants to “win” and demands absolute loyalty no matter what. It looks like some of his supporters are starting to see the con job, or maybe they already did, but they’re starting to realize that allying with a man who will betray you as soon as you’re no longer useful is a bad strategy.
“her people” fucks kids. She knew and they were still her people until the charade fell. Then she changed
you misspelled “rape, torture and kill”
The thing is, the line here wasn’t some moral conflict. From what I understand, she’s mad because the republicans wouldn’t back her senate run. All this was ok with her as long as she continued to have a political career.
The enemy of your enemy is just another enemy.
Then where the hell are my friends?
She’s an utterly dispicable woman. That doesn’t mean she’s wrong on this one issue.
It’s completely fine (and reasonable) to say “I hate this person and everything they stand for but on this one issue we’re in complete agreement”.
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Look at her, with this “revelation” that literally EVERYONE already knew. For years.
I mean, everyone already knew this
It’s good for her supporters to hear her say this.
It’d be more useful if her one issue was with Trump calling Georgia (the state she represents) for more votes. Republicans are cool with that because it was their side doing it.
How many supporters does she have left? There must have been a big overlap with the MAGA-no-matter-what, and I would assume most were not pro-MTG first, pro-Trump second.
It’s good to see cracks in the MAGA figures ranks, but I doubt she still has as much influence as medias and social networks attention.
It’s too late, though. She’d dead to hardcore MAGA, no Rumble influencer would dare amplify her, and algorithms would never show this to people more on the fence.
One report I saw says she changed her stance when some of her supporters did. There’s no doubt she brings along a few people and that’s good.
That’s the problem though.
All these increasingly more narrowly-defined subsections of subcultures that people are supposed to add to their list of things to hate or to support based on which part of the imagined binary you think you’re in is, in the end, just how pedovore psychos decided to use media companies to turn the world into a Gordian Knot of strife so they could continue to act with impunity.
It’s well past time to stop just throwing labels at people whether we support them or not.
I’m going to take a controversial stand here: anyone who is actively against billionaires eating cream cheese intestines of babies they just fucked as they try to control the world is on the right side of things.
Does someone hate something you think they should love or love something you think they should hate? Then you should hope they change, or talk to them, or reexamine your own conception of things. Have you been radicalized to some extent by the baby-eating pedo elites? It’s not too late to take stock and reconsider.
She’s been rino’d, they won’t listen
Jebus you and Too Late Bruce below are defeatist. You just decided all was hopeless as if that’s what you wanted. Now get away from me.
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The MAGA fucknuts are too dumb and brainwashed to realize the shit they voted for.
MTG represents the post-Epstein MAGA movement. All the fascist policy, none of the Epstein baggage. She is extremely valuable to the movement pivoting around the pedophilia.
That raises an interesting question: how many MAGA figures are not compromised by the Epstein files? How much support would they have left from oligarchs and foreign MAGA allies?
It seems to me to be a good thing if MAGA is fracturing? I’d be more concerned if they were unified in hiding behind one scapegoat, to avoid repercussions from the Epstein files
Yes, it is a good thing. But the rat won’t drown itself, so it’s looking for any line to safety.
They are winning, these rejections and condemnations of maga defectors all treat them like WW1 countries that unconditionally surrendered, not the victorious party seeking to put a permanent fix in. Rats drown? Hardly. She would’ve been fine if she didn’t speak out. She’s not fine because she did speak out.
And right wing influence operations come onto our communities and trash her, to reject defectors because of lack of purity.
Yeah, she’s pissed because she realized she’s expendable rather than a main character.
Too bad she’s a woman. That won’t respect her enough to follow her. She’s should get her husband to say exactly what she said. Then they’ll listen.
I don’t think that’s a bad thing. The fact is, she is still a smarmy lunatic who supports fascism, even if she dislikes Trump personally. The left elevating her as a “reasonable centrist” gives her power and its power she would giddily abuse if given the opportunity.
One thing I like about her is that she became super outspoken about the fact that Israel basically has congress occupied. Most people in congress have an aipac handler they have to run everything by. Epstein and Ghisline were Mossad so I respect her honesty on this one issue.
“Jewish people control everything” but with more words
ah yes, more “”“Anti-Zionism”“”?
Zionism is a white supremisist ideology that is being used by the settler colonialist state of Israel to justify the mass slaughter of the “genetically” impure. Like other supremisist ideologies Zionism references pseudoscience to claim superiority over others to justify the mass slaughter of people who do not meet their genetic or purity requirements to justify expansion and their own imperial ambitions. Zionism is no more a religion than the settler colonialist ideology that justified the genocide of the Native Americans or the fantastical and pseudoscientific ideology of the Nazis.
Just because someone says something you agree with about Israel doesn’t mean you should forget that she also believes Jewish people are secretly controlling the world and it’s weather.
If she’s anti-Israel than you can be assured she isn’t against it because of aipac money colonialism, it’s because she’s legitimately Anti-Semitic
MTG has said a lot of dumb stuff and the entire republican platform is racism and sexism in case you haven’t noticed but she’s correct about Israel and the money we give it and the fact that our government is occupied by a genocidal human trafficking country. Israel is our enemy and a threat to the world. EPSTEIN AND GHISLINE= MOSSAD=ISRAEL Wake up
she’s correct about Israel
i mean, she did specifically say that rothschild-controlled space lasers started the california wildfires. i’d say it’s more of a broken clock situation.
It’s weird that Epstein claimed to be a direct representative of the Rothschilds in the files isn’t it? It’s also weird that the literal former prime minister of Israel lived with Epstein in New York for years. Trump and all the MAGATs have said a lot of dumb racist and sexist shit that’s literally their platform. The Jewish space laser thing was part of that whole Q anon stuff but the Epstein files are proving some of these things as half truths. Those files also implicate Epstein and Bannon in spreading the Q Anon narrative on 4 Chan and a lot of that crazy stuff is proving to be half truths. We are living in weird times but the truth is Epstein and Ghisline were Mossad and Israel is committing a genocide and we’re involved in human trafficking of children for manipulation purposes as well as other crimes. Israel is not an ally they are an enemy . I think most Americans have family members who went stark raving mad over all this q anon maga stuff.
man… i know these are facts but the way you type is actively making me doubt them. please don’t write like a conspiracy loon.
Directed energy weapons from satelites are something the US has been working on. It’s a soundbite Israel got everyone to latch onto, ha ha, crazy mtg, but it’s not an outlandish idea, concentrated solar energy from a satelite, or rf waves of their own making, to fry stuff on earth.
The fact that everyone constantly cites that to justify rejecting the defector from maga, right after the president disowned her, is an indictment of the intelligence of everyone repeating it. Tools all, if we listen to them, we lose, Israel wins. They are the last ones qualified to be disqualifying the character of people that stand against them, it’s blatant manipulation of the sheep they do on left subs to play us like a violin, the idea of directed energy from satelites is not crazy at all, and I’m sure other countries like China and the USSR have had similar programs to the ones the US absolutely has. And what the US has, Israel usually has, because Epstein.
Directed energy weapons from satelites are actually something the US is working on, probably already has. But you jump right on the soundbite, because you can be manipulated by the worst people in the world, to reject someone doing the right thing, for lack of purity.
no, i use my knowledge of mtg from the last twelve years to form my judgement.
To reject defectors to Israel, which we need.
one raging asshole saying something correct one time does not change the fact that your government is fucked. i certainly wouldn’t want that piece of shit on my team.
MTG has said a lot of dumb stuff
Probably the real reason you like her, she reminds you af a better spoken and more coherent version of yourself
the entire republican platform is racism and sexism
Which you can excuse, so long as they’re anti-isreal, eh
she’s correct about Israel and the money we give it and the fact that our government is occupied by a genocidal human trafficking country.
Imagine a racist cop saw a black guy on the street and shot him because he hates black people that much, then it turned out that black guy had a bloody knife hidden on him and was on his way to do another murder.
Is the racist cop’s action correct?
the money we give it and the fact that our government is occupied by a genocidal human trafficking country. Israel is our enemy and a threat to the world. EPSTEIN AND GHISLINE= MOSSAD=ISRAEL Wake up
Wake up sheeple!
Just because chatbots and mechanized trolls flood social media to attack anyone that stands against Israel doesn’t mean you should be dumb enough to take their arguments at face value.
Rejecting defectors because they lack purity, as if we didn’t need the help. And anti semitism is a broken term, anyone using that term is suspect in the first place. It means nothing, you either give the underlying bigotry or we will presume you are an agent of Israel and the US.
And so fucking what? We cooperate on what we agree on, we don’t reject on what we don’t. We lose if we listen to you, as if Israel’s tools have any fucking credibility in telling us the motivations behind their critics. You must think we are pretty stupid.
I thought you were stupid but reading your comment confirms it
Nothing says not a tool of powerful interests like responding to reason with personal attacks! How very independent minded of you to parrot the character assassinations of Israel on left groups to play us into rejecting and trashing defectors. So enlightened of you to begin with, frankly it’s shocking you would resort to personal attacks to obscure the issue when called on tooling for the enemy. /s
Israel has single-handedly destroyed most of the credibility of american liberalism. Gotta hand it to the Israeli government for fucking being so gross and evil that they’ve helped tank both US political parties.
Plus they are exporting their urban warfare to the US. Have been working on it for decades, ever since the business roundtable of 1971 whipped up The Fear of the others in the crime waves of the late 70s to 90s, and established a a police state with a draconian judiciary with nothing but contempt for the undesirables, which includes about everyone without a lot of money.
Police departments have long brought in Israeli consultants to advise them, they joke about how they should be able to use white phosphorous on protesters and the like, ha ha.
I highly respect her at this point. It’s clear she wasn’t entirely the cynical operator we presume the right wing to be, and that she actually believed a lot of the ad hoc America First type stances.
Not just on Israel either, she embraced healthcare reform, more than we have gotten from nearly all democrats since they passed the ACA which is slightly better but pays way more money to insurance to deliver way less health care. Medicaid is truly lousy healthcare, it’s worse than one thinks, it’s not medicare, everyone has contempt for them, despite lists of providers there are only one or two that will maybe take you, they refuse to prescribe controlled substances even when you have a right to them. They will misdiagnose them with ailments that don’t fit the conditions, seemingly to shuffle them out quick, and will assume malign motives by the patient, like seeking drugs, even when that doesn’t make sense.
She opposes and has spoken out about geo engineering, a practice that the industry associates the opponents of with the more out there chemtrails cranks, as they seek to pump masses of aerosols like sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere to block the sun to cool the earth. Championed by Bill Gates amongst others, they huddle up every year in switzerland and coordinate selling governments and the public on it, and talking shop about it. These are for profit companies looking to cash in and claiming to know enough to do such a thing, as if the law of unintended consequences wouldn’t condemn such a massive undertaking, and as if any one country had the right to affect the entire world’s weather. Ie done in the americas it is predicted it will cause less rain in africa.
More than recognizing epstein as an israeli honeypot, which I think she did at least as much as she can, and being more brave on the issue than about anyone in congress, she also directly repudiated the genocide, and clearly is also incensed at a foreign country taking away our rights to disagree with the government, and dissent. As if it will end with this one issue if they do quash dissent, and their malice in crushing dissent knows no bounds. They would kill all protesters if they could and laugh as they were doing it. These people want to bring Israel to the US, to do to the US what they’ve done to gaza and the west bank. That’s just the horrifying truth.
As such she came out against the other wars that Israel is getting us involved in, and the party in latin america, as she believed in america first. She spoke out against the Iran war, which Israel is working on making part of their forever war so their politicians don’t have to face elections and questions about why they failed, and admittal of mistakes, lethal to fascists like Netanyahu apparently. Yemen, syria, lebanon, Iran, and I’m sure they will throw so Iraq bombing in there just because. It never ends f they get their way and they will because of their child fucking blackmail. And MTG stood against them when it was political suicide to do so, because she actually believed.
What else, there was something else I can’t recall at the moment. She actually believed in the party, saw it’s true face, and courageously stood against it. I have nothing but respect and admiration for her, although I regret she resigned her position and didn’t at least finish out her term.
Agreed. Very well written.
Dropped a bombshell? More like dropped some water in the ocean. This is obvious to anyone not burying their head in the sand.
So freaking tired of these bombshell reports and then once you read it, it’s like no shit. I already knew that.
Not on this side of the great information rift, no. But think of the people imprisoned inside the MAGA echo chamber. For them this may be news, and MJT and Rogan do have the potential to pierce the walls of their “conservative” media rubber rooms just enough for some fresh air to come through.
This is true, but it shouldn’t be :(
They’re on that side because they choose to be there. There could be a cure for cancer on this side and they wouldn’t care.
I’m not defending or glorifying either of them. They’ve done tons of damage to the U.S. by spreading lies and division. What I’m saying is that they might prove useful idiots for a change, fracturing the MAGA cult just enough to allow the less brainwashed to come to their senses.
They absolutely WOULD care. If you cure cancer, you lose all the money being made to treat cancer, and THAT can’t happen.
